Daniel wrote:Hi. I thought that given the sweeping view of the subject and the comment, "Anyhow, carry on, fairytales and old myths are fun to discuss and twist into a context that we think we can use in some fashion. But to each his own" it would have benefited from knowing some detail about your background and training in qigong, neigong, daoist meditation and/or chinese medicine, as those are the fields that specialize in the subject over decades of study and training and give people the actual skill to feel qi clearly and understand it in depth.
Sure, and I answered you--“I have enough knowledge, background, and experience to post the foregoing and discuss it".
Daniel wrote:The necessity of qi in the IMA is a slightly different subject, and I think that many in the West overemphasize the idea of it.
How do you define “slightly different”? What level of overemphasis? I would think it would be the inverse situation re overemphasis with the Chinese being more accepting of the Qi concept?
Daniel wrote:There is so much that, say, mingjin, in Xingyi needs to have in the body first before moving on to the subtler skills of anjin.
While some may know what you mean by jin distinctions, as many may here in this niche' community (even though we can all argue over their precise definitions online)--they are still not good descriptors of what is technically going on. Nor is a belief in or building of “Qi” required for any of it. ---> You have still failed to address the content of my actual post.
Daniel wrote:I have trained in Daoist work for more than two decades, taught qigong professionally, as well as IMA and meditation, and I work with classical chinese medicine and acupuncture. The people I trained for and still train for in those fields can all clearly feel and separate many clear levels of yi, xin, qi and jins as well as their links to the physical body. They had huge amounts of training behind their skills, and thought that level of precision was something to be taken for granted. I can feel it to that level of precision too, as can my students (depending on their training-level, of course).
Good for you, and good for them. But how do you “clearly feel” and “separate many clear levels of yi, xin, qi and jins as well as their links to the physical body”? What metrics are you using, and how are you defining said terms?
Daniel wrote:Western science has locked itself to the current level of technology. This means that it can only try to prove up to the current level of technology in the machines they have available to measure what qi might be. Personally I am not interested in what Western scientific tests might find, but maybe there will be something to look at in 2-300 years.
Wow, you have just convinced me that the Chinese medical/energy model that is thousands of years old, born from physics / physiological ignorance in comparison to today—is still a few thousand years ahead of all modern physics, science, medicine and technology detecting its presence in the meridians. Oh wait, you didn’t. But how could you? Your “[p]ersonally ... not interested in what Western scientific tests might find”. If you are not open to rationale and testable information or other viewpoints, what is the point of discussion? Perhaps you would you like to discuss your CV some more? Or hire men in yellow jump suits to jump off you as you hold a qigong stance (que yellow bamboo
Daniel wrote: Enough quality in the training mentioned above, however, will give anyone a clear ability to feel qi and separate it clearly from yi, xin, shen, li, etc, and how they weave together.
Enough training will enable one to do and feel numerous things. When the context is provided within the terms and training, anyone could be said to have a “clear ability” to feel qi and “separate it clearly from yi, xin, shen....” within their own world.
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