jjy5016 wrote:Good for conditioning the body and desensitizing one.
liokault wrote:jjy5016 wrote:Good for conditioning the body and desensitizing one.
I don't see any conditioning from taking blows, other than mental, which is great.
What I would like to see much more is, as well as doing things at 100% speed and 100% intent to hit, having the "attacker" not pause and let you do your Kung Fu at them, you know, like in life and stuff.
liokault wrote:jjy5016 wrote:Good for conditioning the body and desensitizing one.
I don't see any conditioning from taking blows, other than mental, which is great.
What I would like to see much more is, as well as doing things at 100% speed and 100% intent to hit, having the "attacker" not pause and let you do your Kung Fu at them, you know, like in life and stuff.
jjy5016 wrote:Good for conditioning the body and desensitizing one. Also helps one to realize that "this is no time for fucking around" awareness. Taking a few of good shots makes someone much more serious about defending himself. Also helps in making one lose any fears or hesitations he might have and gives him a reality check on just what he's got and what he needs to work on.
Aged Tiger wrote:Old saying, "If you've never been hit, you ain't ..." Well, you get the idea.
There is no possible way that you are going to become a proficient fighter if you don't practice taking punishment. You WILL freeze.
lazyboxer wrote:Depends on who's doing the hitting. There are some people I definitely wouldn't want to bang with, since the potential for injury or worse is too great. What's the point? Once you've felt or seen the damage that certain strikes can do, you'd be a fool or mad to ask for a second helping. Once is enough to learn respect.
lazyboxer wrote:At the opposite extreme is fear of being hit, which has an inhibitory paralyzing function, so at least some realistic training is a must. In a real fight, mental and emotional flexibility and the ability to escalate rapidly up to and including lethal levels of force is absolutely required. I don't think lots of ring experience necessarily guarantees that, and probably the only time you find out is when it's too late.
lazyboxer wrote:The best help in a fight is the adrenaline dump you get in the beginning, which gives you the juice to finish it quickly and temporary dulling of the pain receptors. Anything beyond that, and you'll need to be a security professional who fights every day for a living or a Shaolin monk
lazyboxer wrote:P.S. Does this reasoning also apply to locking and throwing? Some of the qinna training I've been doing has taught me to be very, very careful with my partner. It's incredibly easy to cause serious injury. These techniques really are potentially lethal.
GaryR wrote:lazyboxer wrote:Depends on who's doing the hitting. There are some people I definitely wouldn't want to bang with, since the potential for injury or worse is too great. What's the point? Once you've felt or seen the damage that certain strikes can do, you'd be a fool or mad to ask for a second helping. Once is enough to learn respect.
I'm not necessarily talking about just earning respect. Feeling how a method is executed on you helps immensely to learn how it should be done. Allowing the student to throw a punch at me does that for them, I don't need to injure them to demonstrate
GaryR wrote:lazyboxer wrote:At the opposite extreme is fear of being hit, which has an inhibitory paralyzing function, so at least some realistic training is a must. In a real fight, mental and emotional flexibility and the ability to escalate rapidly up to and including lethal levels of force is absolutely required. I don't think lots of ring experience necessarily guarantees that, and probably the only time you find out is when it's too late.
Exactly, it is a must, hence my point. But I don't think one has to find out when it's too late, that's what good pressure testing and ADST is for.
GaryR wrote:lazyboxer wrote:P.S. Does this reasoning also apply to locking and throwing? Some of the qinna training I've been doing has taught me to be very, very careful with my partner. It's incredibly easy to cause serious injury. These techniques really are potentially lethal.
If a teacher can't demonstrate proper Qinna and throwing without injury, he/she shouldn't be teaching. With students practicing on each other it must be carefully ramped up. Which is why for quite awhile, as an instructor I need to be their test dummy--because I can prevent myself from being injured more-so than other students.
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