I agree.johnwang wrote:When you start a thread, your own opinion is not important. You want to hear other's opinions.
A: Do you think ... is good?
B: He is good.
C: He is OK.
D: He is not good.
E: ...
Can we just treat this thread as a "survey" instead? Why do we need to argue?
hi Dimitri, I can't control what other people question. So when other people are looking for answers in one way or the other, or if it was just negativity . It kind of brings the thread into a completely different direction than was intended.Dmitri wrote:Ah yes, a thread about Moling's interview moves on, naturally, to a discussion about whether MMA is a deadly fighting thing... RSF FTW!
johnwang wrote:Can we just treat this thread as a "survey" instead? Why do we need to argue?
Bao wrote:johnwang wrote:Can we just treat this thread as a "survey" instead? Why do we need to argue?
But. but... if we do surveys instead of argumenting, how can we turn threads into off topic MMA discussions or find reasons to post silly images like this?
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:It should be pointed out that, despite my disagreements with Willie in the past, I have always said that his taijiquan looked very good. Martin, while having some great photos, looks like a first-year student whose body is completely disconnected and uncoordinated. So, while his teacher may (or may not) be great, he has not demonstrated that he has any ability. Funny and highly edited videos don't prove anything. Neither do stories about sparing with dudes in China who must suck, considering the videos and evidence presented. Better check yourself before you try and present yourself as a "fighter" here in the States. And, the vids showing him hitting inanimate objects and plants didn't look that great. So clearly, Willie is in a better place to judge Chen Taijiquan, even if he rides the jock a bit (hey, we all like our own systems, or we wouldn't do them).
Now, there does seem to be a bit of hyperbole coming from Willie, but that's nothing new, and we should probably just take that with the grain.
As I said before, Marin has access and recognition from one of the best Chen teachers in the world. I don't see anyone questioning that. The rest just seems to be hate.
Also, thanks to Ken for the podcast.
Finally, don't confuse skill with character. I am not making any comments on character, but I think it is clear that Marin has some skill and continues to get better. He was always very polite to me and the only argument we ever had was about politics but we are both stubborn so that pretty much killed it.
Trick wrote:What level are Chen Xiaowang at ?
which actually come from Ninjutsu
MaartenSFS wrote:Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:It should be pointed out that, despite my disagreements with Willie in the past, I have always said that his taijiquan looked very good. Martin, while having some great photos, looks like a first-year student whose body is completely disconnected and uncoordinated. So, while his teacher may (or may not) be great, he has not demonstrated that he has any ability. Funny and highly edited videos don't prove anything. Neither do stories about sparing with dudes in China who must suck, considering the videos and evidence presented. Better check yourself before you try and present yourself as a "fighter" here in the States. And, the vids showing him hitting inanimate objects and plants didn't look that great. So clearly, Willie is in a better place to judge Chen Taijiquan, even if he rides the jock a bit (hey, we all like our own systems, or we wouldn't do them).
Now, there does seem to be a bit of hyperbole coming from Willie, but that's nothing new, and we should probably just take that with the grain.
As I said before, Marin has access and recognition from one of the best Chen teachers in the world. I don't see anyone questioning that. The rest just seems to be hate.
Also, thanks to Ken for the podcast.
Finally, don't confuse skill with character. I am not making any comments on character, but I think it is clear that Marin has some skill and continues to get better. He was always very polite to me and the only argument we ever had was about politics but we are both stubborn so that pretty much killed it.
Hold on there now.. You can say that my form didn't look good about three years ago when that video was shot, but I stand by my videos of hitting plants and inanimate objects. That's good stuff and the power one can generate after that type of training is scary. I can't fathom what you would have against putting more penetration into your strikes. The main reason I stopped doing Taijiquan is because I found that I was using the Xinyiliuhequan (amongst other arts) stuff almost exclusively when I sparred.
In my third instructional video you can see some of my line drills, which sure don't look disconnected and uncoordinated, despite what you may think of their martial value. Also, whilst it is true that I don't always have a lot of skilled people to choose from to spar with I have taken on some tough guys, both here and in the West. I may not have always won, but I learned and moved on. I don't think that I need to be a UFC champion to prove that what I train has merit.
I don't have a problem with Marin, but with those who worship him - especially his Fajin. Perhaps not a lot of people in the West can Fajin and the bar is low, but I'm not impressed. If no one made any grand claims about him I wouldn't be so critical, because in the end we are all slowly improving. I've made massive progress even in the last half year. I just have a really hard time getting videos onto Youtube from out here. Also, I don't make any grand claims about myself, other than that I have been studying full-time with a proper master for the past several years and that I spar regularly. That is all.
I appreciate you jumping in, I really do. Well it was the truth. The ninja shit got me in all kinds of trouble at empty flower. And it obviously still does. LOL! But I swear to you it was good stuff and I found an old DVD that is all scratched up but it still has a little bit of that same video that I was sending to either Malaysia or Thailand when it was shanghaied over to empty flower. I'm trying to see if I can figure out a way to at least recover a couple of bits and pieces of that original video and I will post it if I can. It's not so stupid as it sounds you will see. I wasn't at empty flower for a very long time in fact the only reason why I was there at all was because somebody had posted my video as a topic and I found out about it. I don't remember what my original handle was but after I was banned for life I tried to get back on under a new name and the handle was Black Sheep. They checked my IP address and then I was banned again within hours.Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:which actually come from Ninjutsu
Come on, Willie. I stand up for you and then you just have to bring the ninja back into it.
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:MaartenSFS wrote:Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:It should be pointed out that, despite my disagreements with Willie in the past, I have always said that his taijiquan looked very good. Martin, while having some great photos, looks like a first-year student whose body is completely disconnected and uncoordinated. So, while his teacher may (or may not) be great, he has not demonstrated that he has any ability. Funny and highly edited videos don't prove anything. Neither do stories about sparing with dudes in China who must suck, considering the videos and evidence presented. Better check yourself before you try and present yourself as a "fighter" here in the States. And, the vids showing him hitting inanimate objects and plants didn't look that great. So clearly, Willie is in a better place to judge Chen Taijiquan, even if he rides the jock a bit (hey, we all like our own systems, or we wouldn't do them).
Now, there does seem to be a bit of hyperbole coming from Willie, but that's nothing new, and we should probably just take that with the grain.
As I said before, Marin has access and recognition from one of the best Chen teachers in the world. I don't see anyone questioning that. The rest just seems to be hate.
Also, thanks to Ken for the podcast.
Finally, don't confuse skill with character. I am not making any comments on character, but I think it is clear that Marin has some skill and continues to get better. He was always very polite to me and the only argument we ever had was about politics but we are both stubborn so that pretty much killed it.
Hold on there now.. You can say that my form didn't look good about three years ago when that video was shot, but I stand by my videos of hitting plants and inanimate objects. That's good stuff and the power one can generate after that type of training is scary. I can't fathom what you would have against putting more penetration into your strikes. The main reason I stopped doing Taijiquan is because I found that I was using the Xinyiliuhequan (amongst other arts) stuff almost exclusively when I sparred.
In my third instructional video you can see some of my line drills, which sure don't look disconnected and uncoordinated, despite what you may think of their martial value. Also, whilst it is true that I don't always have a lot of skilled people to choose from to spar with I have taken on some tough guys, both here and in the West. I may not have always won, but I learned and moved on. I don't think that I need to be a UFC champion to prove that what I train has merit.
I don't have a problem with Marin, but with those who worship him - especially his Fajin. Perhaps not a lot of people in the West can Fajin and the bar is low, but I'm not impressed. If no one made any grand claims about him I wouldn't be so critical, because in the end we are all slowly improving. I've made massive progress even in the last half year. I just have a really hard time getting videos onto Youtube from out here. Also, I don't make any grand claims about myself, other than that I have been studying full-time with a proper master for the past several years and that I spar regularly. That is all.
Okay, fair enough. I will withdraw and hold judgement until I see some newer stuff. I accept that I was basing my opinion on old footage and I certainly believe that a lot of progress can be made in the time frame you mention.
I also don't have any major problems with your last paragraph. I would say, however, that my general take on your initial comments on Marin were unessisarily disparaging. That's the main reason I waded in. Also, I do think Willie has some nice taiji, although he had to go and bring the UFC and ninja into it again. lol. If you talk long enough, something stupid will surely come out.
Also, as Bruce pointed out, no one got banned from EF for talking about MMA. Willie, what was your handle? And which incarnation of EF are you talking about? Bruce, Meynard, and others were all up on that stuff going waaaay back. They may have been around less under EF 2.0 so maybe you showed up there and reinvented the wheel? Still, I don't remember you from that time period either, I and I probably would.
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