jjy5016 wrote:I never learned (or practiced) the two jins (bo lang and fan lang) as separate items. I was taught that they made up proper shen fa and both should be present in the execution of a technique. Speaking of them as two separate things makes me think of one practicing methods that are incomplete. One should lead into the other. If you separate them then you are doing the old one - two instead of just one.
And your post from page 1:
jjy5016 wrote:D_Glenn wrote:Gathering bits and pieces of information over the years and I think the best description of the difference and how Xingyi came to be is because Xin Yi first uses the torso method called 'Fan Lang Jin' (Reversing Wave Power) to put power into it's strikes. This also reverses flow down the 'Du' meridian and brings power back to the Dantian with force, which if you don't have a well developed Dantian it will cause some internal problems, hence the requirement of 3 years of standing practice before you start any training. The creation of Xingyiquan came from the desire and need to have an art that one can practice immediately so they took only the techniques from Xin Yi that use the torso methods of 'Bo Lang Jin' (Crushing Wave Power) where the power comes from the Dantian and follows the normal flow up the 'Du' meridian to power the strikes, this way the practice of learning to power strikes and developing the Dantian through standing practices could be done simultaneously and take the new student to a high level of skill in a shorter amount of time.
But I do agree with what you wrote above. Coincides with what I was taught.
We also practice our basic standing for three years to develop a foundation that can take the abuse that comes with practicing the fan lang jin. Didn't intend to derail the Wave Power subject. Sorry.
Well IMO, you have now officially derailed the thread.
If you read my
Song Dynasty theory and Neidan post you can get some idea as to why there are the warnings about using 'Fanlang jin'.
Basically:
'Bolang Jin' is opening the 'Three Gates' in their proper order. Only after one has spent years building a Dantian, then creating 'Vitality' (炁 Qì), then using it to strengthen the exterior of the body (making the body like a brick oven to house a forge), then Stage 3 turning the Kan Trigram into the Qian Trigram and the Li Trigram into the Kun Trigram (or turning the pot of water into a crucible and the fire into a furnace), then Stage 4 'Reversing the order'.
But even at that stage of cultivation the 'Fanlang / Reverse wave' should still only be done on every 3rd movement while training and when drilling the movements.
As I mentioned on page 1 of this thread: I don't think it's a good idea to even bring up the 'reverse wave' but the cat is already out of the bag.
I do, however, think it's a really
bad idea to
brag-up the 'Fanlang / reverse wave' by saying stuff like
"Speaking of them as two separate things makes me think of one practicing methods that are incomplete."Seriously think about the impressionable people who might be reading this thread.
I titled the thread: "Bolang Jin Wave Power" because that is what I intended it to be about and it's the only thing that I feel can safely be practiced on one's own.
Now why is a Martial System still complete in offense and defense when only using 'Bolang Jin Wave Power': because when one is 'Storing-Up Power' (蓄劲 Xu Jin), (after it's been released and breath vigorously exhaled), then casually inhaling the breath, non-forcibly un-tucking the tailbone, etc. - it's all being hidden by the hands working together like
links in a chain (连环 'Liánhuán') where the 'Outgoing' and 'Supporting' hands hide the movements of the body.
Not to even mention that 'Jin' is not typically 'Fa'/Issued in every single strike or throw during a fight as the hands are mainly still just striking while using 'Chongji Li'.
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