"I can use my taiji for fighting"

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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby johnwang on Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:56 pm

TaoJoannes wrote:Taiji guy: You have some problem with my board shorts?

BMF: Yeah, they remind me of my stepfather, who used to beat me with beer bottles.

Taiji: That's too bad, would you like to do something about it?

BMF: Yes, I will smash your head and eat your brains! *PUNCH* Hey, how did I wind up with my face in the sand.

Taiji: Seemed like thats where you wanted to be.

johnwang wrote:Let's assume this is a death match and only one person can come out alive.

Good script but you forget one important requirement for that script. It's a death match and only one person are allow to walk away alive. So IMO, your fighting script will need some "ending".
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby Josealb on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:01 pm

The ending would be

-BMF pulls out his spike ring and says "yield this.."
-Taiji guy rests in peace.

Ok ok ill stop it. Back on topic.
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby TaoJoannes on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:06 pm

johnwang wrote:
TaoJoannes wrote:Taiji guy: You have some problem with my board shorts?

BMF: Yeah, they remind me of my stepfather, who used to beat me with beer bottles.

Taiji: That's too bad, would you like to do something about it?

BMF: Yes, I will smash your head and eat your brains! *PUNCH* Hey, how did I wind up with my face in the sand.

Taiji: Seemed like thats where you wanted to be.

johnwang wrote:Let's assume this is a death match and only one person can come out alive.

Good script but you forget one important requirement for that script. It's a death match and only one person are allow to walk away alive. So IMO, your fighting script will need some "ending".



D'oh! My apologies Mr. Deville.

Taiji: Seemed like thats where you wanted to be. (stomps on the back of BMF's neck, thus breaking it before letting the body wash out to sea)
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby johnwang on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:18 pm

TaoJoannes wrote:(stomps on the back of BMF's neck, thus breaking it before letting the body wash out to sea)

That's what I'm looking for and I believe that "finish move" has nothing to do with "internal" or "external" and doesn't have to be Taiji only move. I also believe that move is Yang and not Ying.
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby Jake on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:21 pm

I believe you've proved your point John. :)
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby johnwang on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:32 pm

Finally TaoJoannes took the bait. :)
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby TaoJoannes on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:33 pm

johnwang wrote:
TaoJoannes wrote:(stomps on the back of BMF's neck, thus breaking it before letting the body wash out to sea)

That's what I'm looking for and I believe that "finish move" has nothing to do with "internal" or "external" and doesn't have to be Taiji only move. I also believe that move is Yang and not Ying.


That's a matter of terminology.

Taiji changes between yin and yang, but so does the sky and the ocean.

The techniques that I consider to be true taiji techniques work through the mechanism of yielding, first and foremost, and it's an offensive AND defensive sort of action. Trying to reduce it to a one-dimensional art or argument just winds up being frustrating. The only one dimensional part is that it's a responsive art, that determines the course of action by letting the opponent start, then capitalizing on the situation that results from their choice. They play their game, you negate their game, and that is your game. If they don't want to initiate, then you draw them into it.

It's bullfighting, plain and simple. Entice, evade, stick a spear in their flank, Entice, evade, cut their head off. The alternative would be to walk up to the bull and start trying to wrestle it into submission. I don't care how strong you are, that ain't happenin. Or maybe even just walking up with a sword and going for the jugular directly. Perhaps possible, just not easy or advisable.

On concrete or a rooftop, the neck stomp may not be necesarry, as an added consideration.

I think you're precisely right in that the finish move is neither external nor internal, in fact, no technique is expressly either, I may venture to say, but the way in which the technique is applied and how its made possible is what is different.
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby Jake on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:34 pm

johnwang wrote:Finally TaoJoannes took my bait. :)


Hey brah... You don't mean me right?

I'm not TaoJoannes.
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby TaoJoannes on Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:35 pm

johnwang wrote:Finally TaoJoannes took the bait. :)


Don't make me hold you down and tickle you till you pee yourself. -saber-
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby mixjourneyman on Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:11 pm

TaoJoannes wrote:
johnwang wrote:Finally TaoJoannes took the bait. :)


Don't make me hold you down and tickle you till you pee yourself. -saber-


Another tickler eh? 8-)
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby Aged Tiger on Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:39 pm

TaoJoannes wrote:
johnwang wrote:
TaoJoannes wrote:(stomps on the back of BMF's neck, thus breaking it before letting the body wash out to sea)

That's what I'm looking for and I believe that "finish move" has nothing to do with "internal" or "external" and doesn't have to be Taiji only move. I also believe that move is Yang and not Ying.


That's a matter of terminology.

Taiji changes between yin and yang, but so does the sky and the ocean.

They play their game, you negate their game, and that is your game. If they don't want to initiate, then you draw them into it.



Ah, but isn't "change" the point? If they don't initiate, there is nothing to change, as in, no fight to fight. Drawing them in isn't really change, it's you initiating, which would go against the Classics, IMHO.

Fighting in Taiji should always be about blending with the other person, so if we "bait" them, doesn't that change the attitude, ergo. the softness and adaptability? (If we are speaking about a "high level" of ability that is)

Just a thought. My head hurts now.... :-\

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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby johnwang on Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:41 pm

Jake wrote:Hey brah... You don't mean me right?

I'm not TaoJoannes.

No! TaoJoannes is the 1st and only person who describes the "finish move" in that script so far.
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby Jake on Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:54 pm

Geez dude.... I didn't know you were that into directing!? (the hollywood way I mean)

When's the release date???!!! :D
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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby Bär on Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:06 pm

johnwang wrote:Josealb, I wish you can get away with this. When I try to show some sense of humor about "Taiji", people chased me with sticks and I had to run like hell.


Pfffft! You ran from Taiji guys? Your shit may be fake.


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Re: "I can use my taiji for fighting"

Postby johnwang on Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:23 pm

If we can get all the Taiji guys to talk about "finish moves", then we have draw Taiji as a system one step closer to the combat effective.
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