everything wrote:if you pick up any long stick, xingyiquan 5 elements just "make sense". it's possibly the most self explanatory thing there is in IMA or MA.
taijiquan is the least self explanatory art that exists. so if you "add" a weapon, it seems you probably just get more confusion. lolol
everything wrote:if you pick up any long stick, xingyiquan 5 elements just "make sense". it's possibly the most self explanatory thing there is in IMA or MA.
taijiquan is the least self explanatory art that exists. so if you "add" a weapon, it seems you probably just get more confusion. lolol
D_Glenn wrote:everything wrote:if you pick up any long stick, xingyiquan 5 elements just "make sense". it's possibly the most self explanatory thing there is in IMA or MA.
taijiquan is the least self explanatory art that exists. so if you "add" a weapon, it seems you probably just get more confusion. lolol
XYQ is based off a really flexible spear that, instead of stabbing directly into something, it could flex around something like a shield or armor and stick into something soft, a chink.
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Steve James wrote:...so the story goes, the Yang family became associated with the long pole because Yang Panhou (?) injured someone using the spear.
Trick wrote:that xingyiquan would be based on spear combat may be so, but im not convinced even that i been doing xingyiquan for many years now.
Bao wrote:Trick wrote:that xingyiquan would be based on spear combat may be so, but im not convinced even that i been doing xingyiquan for many years now.
But how many years have you practiced the spear?
The five fists are virtually identical to 5 of the most important spear techniques. For example "Zuan" 钻 in "zuanquan" means "drill", "pierce", "enter", "get into". This technique comes from the most basic and important spear/staff entering technique, where you strike the opponents spear/staff in a twisting, upward motion so you stick to the opponent's weapon and can control it. You end up in a position that looks identical to "zuanquan". From this position you can do things as twist the weapon to apply strike downward (as "piquan") or pull its back and down to strike forward (as "bengquan").
But I guess most people only practice forms, not many understand or practice the fundamental techniques, so they can't explain these things. Which in fact means they don't know how to actually use the spear/staff and don't understand real spear play in action.
So Chinese weapon arts focus on "stick and control". You attack the opponent's weapon so you can stick and control. This is why Chinese martial arts are different from boxing or kick-boxing. You don't chase points and try avoid punches in the same way as in western arts. Instead you enter and attack in a way so you can control the opponent's limbs and/or body. This is why it's called "bridging" in the southern arts. You also need to keep this in mind when you look at the XY 5 fists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmyj_OlTFGk&t=672s
Starting at 1.12:
Trick wrote:i dont think humans had to rediscover the motions of the limbs throu the use of tools.
Trick wrote:oh, i forgot the bridging and sticking, im sure that originally is from wrestling/grappling rather that spear work.
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