Plante wrote:Royal Dragon wrote:Work on the combat moves of each and very technique in the form. You will HAVE to get it right, or the technique will fail.
My opinion is that you have to learn the techniques individually and then learn the form. It makes learning it faster and easier since you know what power to use, what intent, what it is for. Forms are mostly for demonstration or to practice the techniques in a sequence easy to remember.
middleway wrote:The main training is in the Nei Gung, Li gong methods not the forms IMO.
this has become very clear to me recently.
But if you train the 18 wu xing nei gung you will get massively better results than simply the 5 element fist forms.
for instance if you train the 6 Pi quan nei gong you train (6 simple motions related to specific Pi quan training)
Spine wave, intercostal power, shoulder, scapular, gravity, RDOF, stepping, Dang Jin, monkey wrist, heavy elbow, spiral force, 6 harmonies, Lung force, breath, intent, 5 gates ... etc
Now all of this is in the Basic Pi quan form but you have to look for it. Train the nei gong then it will be there in the form as your body has it.
the Nei gong training in Xing yi aint talked about much ... its always forms this forms that ...
Wonder why that is...
Easy - because most people don't know about it! ... The problem with "anything else" is that each style may not necessarily have the same stuff, and people are never sure what REALLY belongs there (this is where lineage comes in).
So... Does anyone else here practice the above neigong that Chris mentioned? Or do they have different neigong sets for xingyi?
Darth Rock&Roll wrote:to simply cut to the chase...
If the move is non-applicable, then it is incorrect.
If the move has no result or benefit, then, like a cancer it should be cut out.
If there is lack of understanding, then why bother moving forward and instilling the bad habit when you should be seeking to find the correction and failing that, leave it, it is broken and will not work.
ultimately, any form that cannot be applied is useless, be it martially or as a health practice. If results cannot be shown readily then that is all that is needed to be observed.
middleway wrote:I am not sure that its that people dont know about it necisarrily ... maybe just that it isnt focused on as much as getting the 'form' right. I guess these excersises could have just been integrated as warm up training in some lines... they are quite specific as i learnt them but i think most Xing yi People would instantly recognise some of them.
They are excersises to get the maximum isolated force from a certain area ... the wrist for instance. As well as internal training and heavy focus on DanTien work for each element. Then the form puts all of those high volume isolated forces together with the dan tien work into a single thing.
Now there still is alot missing from my movement .. but i am working on it ... and the first 6 months training those nei gung once i learnt them changed me a huge amount, mainly in terms of power.
Maybe its a case of - dont ask ... dont get! -
thanks for the responce.
Cheers
Chris
DeusTrismegistus wrote:Darth Rock&Roll wrote:to simply cut to the chase...
If the move is non-applicable, then it is incorrect.
If the move has no result or benefit, then, like a cancer it should be cut out.
If there is lack of understanding, then why bother moving forward and instilling the bad habit when you should be seeking to find the correction and failing that, leave it, it is broken and will not work.
ultimately, any form that cannot be applied is useless, be it martially or as a health practice. If results cannot be shown readily then that is all that is needed to be observed.
What you are talking about is a decision that can only be made by a qualified person. If the purpose of a movement is not readily apparent then that does not mean there is no purpose. An application may be shown but may not be easy to do. Results take time. No one seems to want to work hard and put time in to see results, they would much rather just be able to do it right away.
I don't consider myself qualified to decide what movements from our forms are worth keeping and which are worth throwing away. As I spend more time practicing I also see benefits from things I didn't see before.
Is there one comparatively commonly known exercise that you could vaguely describe
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