Practice after sex...

[Chris Fleming]

LOL! I'll have to second Elliot and say that it doesn't count as sex.

[Elliot]

Andy,
Chris already posted this link: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... sex_2.html

My favorite quote in the article:
"After three months without sex, which is not so uncommon for some athletes, testosterone dramatically drops to levels close to children's levels," he said. "Do you think this may be useful for a boxer?"
(A rhetorical question, the answer is no, it wouldn't be good for a boxer to abstain from sex. Abstaining from sex is probably only useful for "martial artists" that never do anything martial).

Darthwing asks:

Are you sure about that? Have you asked a sexologist lately about what counts as "sex"?

I haven't had time to consult with my sexologist recently, I've been too busy getting lucky when I'm home alone.

Klonk says:

We will bet thousands of years accumulated experience against a recent report by an agenda-bound procto-doctor.

You're right, ancient knowledge rules. Have you heard those crazy modern researchers trying to convince people the world is round? As if.

[edededed]

If you watch Roman Polanski's docco on Jackie Stewart (cant remember what it's called) Jackie states that it was no shagging (sorry, "spending his essence") for a month, IIRC, before the big race. Roman Gladiators were also kept away from the slave girls before matches. And yes, the Chinese certainly make the point that milking your todger makes you go weak at the knees.

However, as Elliot noted, regularl shooting of one's bolt is actually GOOD for the prostate, and may enhance athletic performance (Elliot, any sources on that latter point?) Conventional wisdom may be conventional, but it is not always wisdom.

I understand that in Chinese medical terms, each chap is born with a finite supply of sperm, and once it is gone, it is gone, pal, so tough luck. Modern science has made clear that this long-held belief is bollocks -er, nonsense.

Not quite right, I think it was the yuanqi (元氣) (original qi) that each person has a finite supply of, not the sperm (which is obviously replenishable, as anyone can find out for themselves).

Did anyone ever find out what "regular shooting" was exactly?

Once a week?
Once a day?
A dozen times a day?
Until your wanker is black from overuse?

[onyomi]

Some interesting stuff here, too:

http://www.reuniting.info/

[Fubo]

Andy,
Chris already posted this link: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... sex_2.html

My favorite quote in the article:
"After three months without sex, which is not so uncommon for some athletes, testosterone dramatically drops to levels close to children's levels," he said. "Do you think this may be useful for a boxer?"
(A rhetorical question, the answer is no, it wouldn't be good for a boxer to abstain from sex. Abstaining from sex is probably only useful for "martial artists" that never do anything martial).

That was precisely the article I was refering to in my post.

[D_Glenn]

Andy,
Chris already posted this link: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... sex_2.html

Here's more of that modern research that is referred to in that article, done by one Ian Shrier MD:


"Sex the night before does not affect strength, endurance or the capacity to utilize oxygen," Shrier says. In a summary of research on the subject, he pointed out that male athletes put on a treadmill 12 hours after having had sex showed no decline in performance.

Research has likewise found no effect on a man's grip strength, balance, lateral movement, reaction time or aerobic power. The same goes for effects on the mental concentration of male athletes.

The only possible issue, says Bancroft, might be the 'refractory period' experienced by men immediately after orgasm. During this period, which can be as little as 20 minutes for a teenager and up to 24 hours for a man in late middle age, a man's ability to get an erection is inhibited. But given that professional footballers are physically fit (and presumably are not having sex in the minutes immediately before a game), any associated sluggishness elsewhere in the body is unlikely to be an issue.

The male orgasm also induces a state of calm and relaxation (which accounts for men's infamous tendency to roll over and fall asleep straight afterwards). It is hard to say how long this calming effect lasts, although there is no reason to think that it would last until the following day. Bancroft nevertheless concedes that this period of relaxed calm is "probably not the best time to go out and play in the World Cup".

Sex on the brain
In fact, scientists are not even sure what causes the calming effect. It is unlikely to be physical exhaustion: several studies have shown that a man's heart rate and oxygen consumption during sex generally rise no higher than levels reached during gentle exercise such as walking, climbing stairs, or even pushing paper at the office. Some experts suspect that the hormone prolactin, which peaks a few hours after sex, may be involved. "But we don't really know for sure what role it plays," says Bancroft... -- http://www.bioedonline.org/picks/news.cfm?art=2583



So the answer to Zen's question is if you're the same age as the average world cup soccer player then you're for sure safe if you wait 12 hours.

My favorite quote in the article:
"After three months without sex, which is not so uncommon for some athletes, testosterone dramatically drops to levels close to children's levels," he said. "Do you think this may be useful for a boxer?"
(A rhetorical question, the answer is no, it wouldn't be good for a boxer to abstain from sex. Abstaining from sex is probably only useful for "martial artists" that never do anything martial).

Abstaining for 3 months is 90 days. (are we even discussing abstaining for that long here?) In that article it says "Muhammad Ali, for one, reportedly wouldn't make love for six weeks before a fight. " which is 45 days, only half of what the article says, so I think we can assume Ali wasn't noticing drops in his testosterone levels. The rhetorical question as to whether Ali could have been a better boxer then he was I'm afraid is going to have to go unanswered.


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[Muad'dib]

The national geographic article contradicts itself. First it says that not having sex decreases testosterone, then it says that too much agression is bad for athletic performance, and agression is linked to testosterone which increases when you have sex.

One of my favorite quotes is "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." I am fairly certain none of the authors of those studies are boxers of any caliber.

[D_Glenn]

...First, the obvious reasons for sex’s somnolent sway: the act frequently takes place at night, in a bed, and is, after all, physically exhausting (often more so for the man than the woman, although this certainly varies). So when sex is over, it’s natural to feel sleepy.

Secondly, research using positron emission tomography (PET) scans has shown that activity in the amygdala, the brain area that controls fear and anxiety, decreases prior to orgasm. University of Groningen doctor Gert Holstege, who led the study, told the London Times that “letting go of all fear and anxiety might be the most important thing, even necessary, to have an orgasm." Doing so, of course, tends to be relaxing and might explain the tendency to snooze.

Then there is the biochemistry of the orgasm itself. Research shows that during orgasm, we release a cocktail of brain chemicals, including norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin, nitric oxide (NO), and the hormone prolactin. The release of prolactin is linked to the feeling of sexual satisfaction, and it also mediates the “recovery time” that men are well aware of—the time a guy must wait before “giving it another go.” Studies have also shown that men deficient in prolactin have faster recovery times.

Prolactin levels are also naturally higher during sleep, suggesting a link between the two. It's possible that the hormone’s release during orgasm leads to drowsiness.


(Side note: prolactin also explains why we are sleepier after intercourse than after masturbation. For unknown reasons, intercourse orgasms release four times more prolactin than masturbatory orgasms, according to a recent study in the Journal of Biological Psychology.)

Oxytocin and vasopressin, two other chemicals released during orgasm, are also associated with sleep. Their release frequently accompanies that of melatonin, the primary hormone that regulates our body clocks. Oxytocin is also thought to reduce stress levels, which again could lead to relaxation and sleepiness.

What about the evolutionary reasons for post-sex sleepiness? This is trickier to explain, and no one really knows. Evolutionarily speaking, a man’s primary goal is to produce as many offspring as possible, and sleeping doesn’t exactly help in his quest. But perhaps since he cannot immediately run off with another woman anyway—damn that recovery time!—re-energizing himself via sleep may be the best use of his time.

And women often fall asleep with the men anyway (or use it for some key cuddling time), which could aid with conception (you know, gravity and all that). And when the two wake up naked together, they just might be ready to go again.

It’s also possible that sleepiness is just a “side effect” associated with a more evolutionarily important reason for the release of oxytocin and vasopressin. In addition to being associated with sleep, both chemicals are also intimately involved in what is called “pair bonding,” the social attachment human mates commonly share. The release of these brain chemicals during orgasm heightens feelings of bonding and trust between sexual partners, which may partially explain the link between sex and emotional attachment. This bond is favorable should the couple have a baby, as cooperative child rearing maximizes the young one’s chances for survival.

The bottom line is this: there are many potential biochemical and evolutionary reasons for post-sex sleepiness, some direct and some indirect—but no one has yet pinpointed the exact causes. One thing, however, is certain: we all better get used to it, because it doesn’t look likely to change anytime soon. - http://blindedscience.blogspot.com/2006 ... r-sex.html

In daoist thought men fall asleep after due to getting the 'yin' energy from the women.


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[klonk]

Horniness increases aggressiveness and situational awareness. You may verify this personally by whatever experiments occur to you. Measurements like oxygen uptake and reaction time do not measure the mind.

The report cited said nothing about kidney jing, which I suppose was an oversight.

Elliot: The idea the world is round is not precisely new. While I take your point, that new discoveries may be correct, it is very unlikely in the subject area of fistfighting, which is older than recorded history.

[zenshiite]

i'm so horribly sorry, but i absolutely could not resist.

withdrawal (is) no good for sharing jing qi with your partner.

are you sure about that?

Forgot to say this yesterday, but the funny thing about your bukkake smilies is this... there're woman-centric Taoist sex cults that are full on in favor of that. Say it helps rejuvenate a woman's beauty in her face by absorbing jing there. www.whitetigress.org

I've got two books. It's crazy shit. Like the dude is supposed to watch the white tigress lady with "green dragons" as they bust on her face and he's supposed to get himself aroused then circulate his qi. I kid you not.

[edededed]

Some sneaky dudes fibbed to some gullible babes, methinks ("Really, it's good for you, babe, it'll make you beautiful and younger, trust me").

Then there was the lady who went to the hospital wondering why she didn't get pregnant no matter how many times she blew her husband... (Bet he ran away when he heard where she went off to...)

[Andy_S]

Kreese:

RE: Prostate cancer rates are lower in Asia
Is that so? Well, that seems to confirm the theory - ie that shooting your load reduces cancer - given the huge consumption of viagra, cialis, eel soup and pickled tiger penis in modern Asia, not to mention the tremendous number of bonking boudoirs in places like Seoul and Taipei. (Don't you dare tell me you don't know what I am talking about...) And while spunk retention may have originated in Asia's Taoist temples, I don't for a moment believe that the economic warriors who go out for a night of galbi, soju, singing and shagging are practitioners of these esoteric arts.

[edededed]

Note that Asian countries tend to score on the bottom of sex surveys in general, though (Japan the very bottom - I think American was the very top); I suspect that this all means that they are not bunking less than others, just at said bonking boudoirs instead of at home.

I never quite understood why "eat penis = gain penis power!" in Asia... Does eating brains make one smarter? Or does eating livers make one a better drinker?

[Andy_S]

Ed:

RE: Your latter point
I believe that what you stated, is, in fact, the root of the theory, yes. And it does not have to be a todger to empower your todger, it just has to look (vaguely) like a todger - hence eel and snake are considered aphrodisiacs.

[wiesiek]

Note that Asian countries tend to score on the bottom of sex surveys in general, though (Japan the very bottom - I think American was the very top); I suspect that this all means that they are not bunking less than others, just at said bonking boudoirs instead of at home.


Or does eating livers make one a better drinker?

eating livers /particulary from horny species/ , btw - raw is the best
-makes u liver stronger
so
u will recast alc. better /faster?/