jjy5016 wrote:Mechanics when issuing force or using jin:
The spine rotates as a whole. No twisting or wringing like a towel. Shoulders stay in line with the kua.
I don't think this is true for Bagua.
jjy5016 wrote:Mechanics when issuing force or using jin:
The spine rotates as a whole. No twisting or wringing like a towel. Shoulders stay in line with the kua.
middleway wrote:Thanks for the explanation Sprint Although it differs somewhat from my thoughts on the mechanics its interesting to hear. I will try and find time to post my thoughts in the next few days.
Regards
Chris
Ron Panunto wrote:jjy5016 wrote:Mechanics when issuing force or using jin:
The spine rotates as a whole. No twisting or wringing like a towel. Shoulders stay in line with the kua.
I don't think this is true for Bagua.
jjy5016 wrote:Ron Panunto wrote:jjy5016 wrote:Mechanics when issuing force or using jin:
The spine rotates as a whole. No twisting or wringing like a towel. Shoulders stay in line with the kua.
I don't think this is true for Bagua.
I guess it depends on which line of bagua one practices. The bagua teachers I know teach on not to wring the spine. Very dangerous when encountering great force.
Chris McKinley wrote:RE: the spine twisting thingy. The spine will not twist very far even at full "rotation" of each individual vertebra. As such, and assuming absolutely no dysfunction of the spine to begin with, activating the spinal support muscles can actually help to stabilize the spine against injury upon impact. For perspective though, the kind of force that can damage a spine that is in proper alignment isn't going to be mitigated by the support muscles much anyway. The real point to using those muscles is the great degree of torque that can be generated for outgoing, not incoming, force. It's an additive component, not a stand-alone parlor trick.
I expect you've been busy Chris, but it would be good to get your thoughts.
jjy5016 wrote:I just found this video we shot in Chinatown from a few years ago. It's a drill I learned early on in yiquan that was supposed to have originated with Guo Yun Shen and mimics him while he was in his prison cell with his hands and feet bound.
http://vimeo.com/9993035
password: medurga
Among other things this is for practicing the rotation of the spine to the left and right while not compromising the stance. Done correctly this teaches one to transfer power from the ground up through the legs, hips etc. just like it says in the taiji classics. The spine is only turning a bit but because of their distance from the spine the movement of the hands is on a larger arc. This is great for learning silk reeling or luo xuan jin as every part of the body engaged for the delivery of connected force.
Notice how the shirt doesn't change as my torso turns.
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