Should Shuiajiao and Tuisau Competitions Be Combined?

[yeniseri]

Why no? If the regulations are put out on what is acceptable and what is not, then there would be more adherents in tuishou competition.
Okinawan sources have a type of tuishou format that was once part of training but it has been seeing a resurgance in small ways. There is certainiy integration adn synthesis with all aforementioned systems. Here are some similar touch hands link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai1HtkMMrEc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLzlNHQLbU4

I am sure all these conceptual tuishou systems can be made equitable so all can participate with their corresponding tools.

[Niall Keane]

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apologies if not showing, not sure how this board works? full link below...

http://youtu.be/2R2zjQBNV0E


ICBA (Irish Chinese Boxing Association) Tui Shou event 2012. Maybe this is along lines of what people are talking about?

We run 4 events a year, in Dublin Ireland. I've posted rules below from last comp. Similar to British Open etc. Next one is 23rd March 2013.

ICBA will be adding a Tui Shou event to the Sanshou comp on 20th October (Saturday) In Finglas
Entry: €15 (pay on day)
Weigh in - 10am
Catagories- male & female -60 and every 5kg up to 100kg then open weight

Rules:
Contestants will approach one another at the direction of the referee from opposite ends of the contest area and make hand/arm contact. The contest will begin on the referee's command.
Scoring 1 point will be awarded where a contestant steps outside of the area. 2 points will be awarded for a half fall. 4 points for a full fall and 8 points where a contestant is sent flying out of the area. 1 extra point for good technique may be awarded at the referee’s discretion
Permitted Moves: Contestants may move freely within the contest area. Safe throws, trips, sweeps and locks are permitted.

Round times are single 2 minute round, then 1 minute extra with 30 second break of draw, still a draw... 30 second break and sudden death.

No grabs around neck, no head / face attacks.

All arm locks and leg locks etc. permitted. Diliberately smashing a joint is obviously out!

Small joint locks - fingers toes not allowed again common sense.

Sweeps are permitted, but there is a difference between dropping someone with a low kick and a sweep I'm sure we can all recognise that.

You can fireman lift and throw over the shoulders, just not spike an opponent. Just to be aware as I know some wrestling bans this.

The 8pointer is where you throw someone out of the area, where they are completely in the air, and they fall, and you remain on your feet inside area. It's rare enough not to be too concerned about it.

Half fall is where a hand or knee touch ground but you're not totally collapsed.

Full fall is where both hands, both knees or back touches ground.

Push out will have some leeway, ie of your heel moves out a bit in the middle of moving you're not going to be called out. This differs slightly from international rules, but hey, we are more into a good competition rather than a culture of fine detail.
The opponent must push you out so both feet are outside and he must have both feet inside to score. If you drag him out with you then he didn't control the situation so doesnt score. Old school tui shou.

Oh yea, just to reiterate the thread title, it's no-gi so different to shuai Jiao, also in the fact that you do not score if you land on your opponent.

On clothing:
Shorts, loose trousers etc, t-shirt (I suggest sleeveless) body armour is fine too.
Just make sure it's robust or clothing won't last long.

Finger and toe nails must be cut short.

Safety equipment like groin and gum protectors not mandatory but advised.


Each competitor will have a corner and a coloured sash (red or blue), the ref will have corresponding red and blue armbands, which will identify scores

A score count will be kept on the judges table, pointed towards the contest so competitors will be able to know score throughout.