A downside to connection training

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A downside to connection training

Postby middleway on Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:18 am

I have had a niggling old groin injury from yomping, that i also tore during a hills marathon.

Last night this one leg was well overstretched while rolling, resulting in a tare and me hobbling today ...

What i have noticed though, is that due to all the connection training and Kwa work i have been doing the last 3 or 4 years, if i reach for something, move in any 'normal' sort of way the resulting tug on the connective tissue linking into the kwa makes the pain 10 times worse! ... dont even get me started on sneezing! haha

Anyone got any good 'groin' injury recovery exercises or tips?

Thanks.(this may be an Off topic thread but wasnt sure.)
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby GrahamB on Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:34 am

"yomping"? ;D - I had to look that up - never heard of it before :)
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby canard on Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:48 am

massage is clearly indicated :)
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby wiesiek on Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:24 am

canard is thinkin` about point located on the meddle of the heel...
- wild guess ;) :D
but
seriously this point is connected with the groin - left to right and right to left
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lot of sex /massage included/ -will help your fluids flow faster = speeds up recovery
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby Graculus on Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:46 am

lot of sex /massage included/ -will help your fluids flow faster = speeds up recovery


I'd go easy on that... the 3 things that were always stipulated as verboten after a therapy session (massage, external medicine, acupuncture) by my teacher were sex, hot baths and alcohol - might disturb the realignments/treatments that had been given - too much uncontrolled relaxation and/or exertion.

Graham - you don't remember all those reports of the Falklands war, then?

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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby GrahamB on Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:59 am

Indeed - the most famous Yomp of all. I guess I'd just not heard the phrase since 1982. Don't hang out with soldiers :)
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby fuga on Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:10 am

Rest and time.
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby Dmitri on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:00 am

fuga wrote:Rest and time.

Yeah that was it for me. I gotta say, that was one of the most painful and annoying things that happened to me in a while. I had no idea it could be as awful as it was...

Quick recovery to ya, Chris!
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby Bhassler on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:08 am

While you're waiting for the soft tissue to heal, I would recommend working on finding a better skeletal connection through the hip-- learn to let the bones do more of the work instead of muscles. Also, our bodies are highly redundant in function, so if you've got nothing else to do you can figure out how to accomplish the things you used to do with your injured groin muscle with other muscle combinations. (BTW, when I say "better" I mean it in the sense of better relative to you-- you may move a lot better than I do, but no one is perfect, so there's always room for "better.")
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby middleway on Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:49 pm

Thanks for the feedback guys.

I have decided to rest it completely for 7 days then do some gentle training, soft stretching etc building back up slowly (super hard thing for me to do!)

Thanks bhassler, good advice. this was from a guy kneeling into my leg as he passed, stretching my legs apart so I was powerless to stop the over stretch unfortunately. But there is defo always room for improving the lines. :)

See how it goes.

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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby mrtoes on Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:35 pm

Sorry to hear about your injury Chris - I hate debilitating injuries but it does make you slow down. You going to make it on Sunday?
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby middleway on Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:46 pm

For sure!! :) a groin prob won't stop me getting there... Just my round kicks might not be firing on all cylinders. ;)
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby Dmitri on Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:54 pm

middleway wrote:I have decided to rest it completely for 7 days


and then...

middleway wrote:a groin prob won't stop me getting there... Just my round kicks might not be firing on all cylinders.


dude... tsk-tsk-tsk.

Oh well. It's your groin, after all. ;D
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby middleway on Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:26 pm

Hahaha I know I know!

I meant a break.... Apart from Sunday... ;)
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Re: A downside to connection training

Postby Doc Stier on Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:01 pm

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A Homeopathic medicine, Ruta Graveolens 30C, has worked well on many occasions for me and others I know to relieve this type of tendon injury. Use as directed on the label, at least three times per day until the condition improves, usually early morning upon awakening, mid-afternoon between meals, late night before sleeping. Thereafter, continue use once per day at bedtime only until the medication is all gone to help prevent reinjury. Don't take with meals. Check it out!

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