Yang family (Banhou) fast frame (kuaiquan)

[Yuen-Ming]

This is the fast frame as passed down by Yang Banhou, who told his disciples to have received it from Yang Luchan.
This exact same frame was then passed down to Shaohou as "Banhou's fast frame" while Shaohou himself also created *his* fast frame - so at Shaohou's generation two fast frames were known and practiced.

FYI

YM

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[edededed]

As with Changquan, could you tell us where this quanpu came from?

[Yuen-Ming]

As with Changquan, could you tell us where this quanpu came from?

If you read my message you will see this is from both Banhou as well as Shaohou lines.

You can check out Li Wancheng or Lin Jinsheng's lines, for instance

YM

[Yuen-Ming]

Here is the fast frame from Banhou.
This is the earliest Fast Frame still available from the first generation Yang family, passed down and still practiced also by Shaohou's descendants, according to the quanpu abovementioned.
This is a public video, and the only one available for as much as I know, so I guess it is not a problem to upload it.
All other videos I have are private and I don't have permission to disclose them for public viewing.
In any case, while the skills of the performer may be different the set is exactly the same.

Best

YM

[Bao]

while the skills of the performer may be different the set is exactly the same.

You mean that he suck?

[Yuen-Ming]

You mean that he suck?

Why this question ?
My comment was in regard to the fact that the set (choreography) remains the same in various lines and what may vary (obviously) are only the skills of the performer

YM

[Bao]

You mean that he suck?

Why this question ?

Because when you look at some movements as "picking the needle from the bottom of the sea" (0.25), you can see clearly that his shenfa is disconnected, that he do not use full body movement. Also, his top look strong, but the rooting is week.

I wish you or someone else could show a better clip on this form . . .

[Yuen-Ming]

Because when you look at some movements as "picking the needle from the bottom of the sea" (0.25), you can see clearly that his shenfa is disconnected, that he do not use full body movement. Also, his top look strong, but the rooting is week.

I wish you or someone else could show a better clip on this form . . .

I posted the video with the precise goal of showing the set, not discussing the skills of the performer, and I am aware that there are always 'better' and 'worst' pratictioners out there.
Skills are always subjective, until one crosses hands seriously and the result may give more objective pov's.

In general, if you are used to what is passed by 'standard Taijiquan' out there you might be surprised - to say the least - in watching some people from the Banhou/Shaohou's lines. But this would be a long discussion and I, of course, don't know what your experiences are.

YM

[Bao]

I posted the video with the precise goal of showing the set, not discussing the skills of the performer, and I am aware that there are always 'better' and 'worst' pratictioners out there.
Skills are always subjective, until one crosses hands seriously and the result may give more objective pov's.

When you present something, the difference is the same as the difference between a good and a bad commercial.

If you never heard "Ave Maria before, and someone make you listen to a bad "American Idol" amateur, you will have no clue how the song should be sung or how the beutiful the song could be. You will just think "bad" or "mediocre".

[Yuen-Ming]

When you present something, the difference is the same as the difference between a good and a bad commercial.

If you never heard "Ave Maria before, and someone make you listen to a bad "American Idol" amateur, you will have no clue how the song should be sung or how the beutiful the song could be. You will just think "bad" or "mediocre".

I am afraid we are going a bit off-topic but, however ... your judgement/thinking of 'bad', 'mediocre' or 'good' is always versus a set of comparison that you have created with your life/experiences.

'Good' or 'bad' are only so in respect to a certain standard or goal that you have in mind, they are not absolute truth.

IMHO

YM

[Bao]

Anyone can here when someone is singing false. Not much life experience is needed comparing songs, dance, painitngs or other art. Children understand when they hear someone sing false and will appreciate paintings of great artists.

My point was that the performance in your clip might not be representative for how the form (or taijiquan) should be played. And the point of your last post was . . . ?

[Yuen-Ming]

Children understand when they hear someone sing false and will appreciate paintings of great artists.

I suppose you don't have small children then

No need to agree, and as we are really going off-topic I'd leave it at that if that's ok with you

Best

YM

[Franklin]

thanks for posting the video-


very interesting


franklin

[H2O_Dragon]

This your lineage too?



I like this form a lot. Kid's got good mechanics.

[Andy_S]

Very interesting - though, bar the punch ground - turn - kick - sequence it bears little relationship to any Taiji I am familiar with. (To put it another way: If you had not told me that was Taiji, I would not have guessed it). Is anyone here familiar with this form or style of practice?

YM:

Why, our of curiousity, are the other videos you have for private viewing only?