yeniseri wrote:Your excellent analyses are spot on!
Yang style does have 'neigong' sets...The historical record is that Yang Lu-Chan did not teach Qing officials, but based on the instruction handed down by a few adepts, he did pass on traditional materials that appeared to be adapted per the person he was teaching.
edededed wrote:I was wondering things such as:
1. Is the slow form approximately the same form as the Yang slow form?
2. Is the fast form similar at all to the Yang family's "longfist" form (being faster than the slow form)?
3. Is the push hands training quite similar, or...?
4. Are there similar neigong sets in Yang style? In particular, the Tian Zhaolin line seems to have its own 8-part neigong set (baduanjin), perhaps it is similar to the Wu style's 8?
5. Do any of the 3 Wu style sword sets seem to correlate to the Yang style sword? (I.e., is it qiankun sword?)
6. Is the saber set similar? (Although I think Yang style saber sets seem to diverge a lot, too, all by themselves.)
7. Same as for spear.
Daniel-san wrote:Yang style Bow Stance -
Front foot points forward, rear foot angled out 45 degrees
Wu style Bow Stance -
2 feet parallel - I used to think that the 2 feet pointed straight forward, parallel to each other, but 1 teacher told me that the front foot should be angled inwards while the rear foot is angled outwards, so that the 2 feet are still parallel to each other but not pointing straight forward. Toe of front foot should be in line with heel of rear foot.
PUSH HANDS - Yang style
When sitting back in stance (weight on rear leg) sole of front foot remains flat on ground.
PUSH HANDS - Wu style
When sitting back in stance (weight on rear leg) toes of front foot lift up, foot rests on heel.
Daniel-san wrote:PUSH HANDS - Yang style
When sitting back in stance (weight on rear leg) sole of front foot remains flat on ground.
PUSH HANDS - Wu style
When sitting back in stance (weight on rear leg) toes of front foot lift up, foot rests on heel.
Daniel-san wrote:PUSH HANDS - Wu style
When sitting back in stance (weight on rear leg) toes of front foot lift up, foot rests on heel.
edededed wrote:Amor - regarding stepping, the Wu style does seem to not really shift the weight back and forth like many Yang stylists do (at least when I learned it many years ago). I thought that the feet remaining parallel and forward was one reason for this (since stepping would not require one or both of the feet to be moved in any way). If the stepping is in fact parallel but diagonal, wouldn't it require pivoting of the feet (and thus weight shifts forward and back) when stepping?
(Also, in my (maybe not so good) Yang style learning years ago, we lifted up the feet when shifting back... but I do hear that some Yang groups do not do this.)
Lots of good tidbits from everyone, thanks
cdobe wrote:1. The sequence of postures is more or less the same. The execution of the movements can be very different. If you compare some of the non-mainstream Yang versions with Wu, you often find more similiarities.
gzregorz wrote:cdobe wrote:1. The sequence of postures is more or less the same. The execution of the movements can be very different. If you compare some of the non-mainstream Yang versions with Wu, you often find more similiarities.
For the record this seems to be the poster's own conclusion.
gzregorz wrote:cdobe wrote:1. The sequence of postures is more or less the same. The execution of the movements can be very different. If you compare some of the non-mainstream Yang versions with Wu, you often find more similiarities.
For the record this seems to be the poster's own conclusion.
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