Chinese Wrestling - Single leg

[XiaoXiong]

Working with Eric Paulson student Johnny Hendricks, I saw a lot of stuff from their Greco was the same as bagua.
Jess

[Pipefighter,PhD]

CSW is pretty cool. Searching Paulson freestyle wrestling will yield some results. But greco has no acknowledgement of the legs, either standing or on the ground. That is a major hole if you're talking martial arts. Even Couture touches the legs in the ufc, which makes his application 100% not greco. All US greco guys compete in other forms of wrestling before they get to the olympic level.

I like Eric Paulson's quick kills. Shuai Chiao builds directly into that kind of stuff. Greco really doesn't

There is no room in a "single leg" or "leg seizing" discussion for Greco. In Greco Roman you cannot leg seize, inner hook, outer hook, inner twist, outer twist, inner sickle, outer sickle, leg block, leg break, leg spring, sharpen, heard, sweep, fireman's carry, double leg, single leg, hand block the leg, front cut, grape vine- or any of it's follow up tilts or pins, or anything else involving anyone's legs, ever. It kills me that greco get's recognition in martial arts. Simply marketing. Paulson isn't a greco guy either.

Shuai Chiao is a much more involved art than Greco ever was.

[Dajenarit]

Shuai Jiao life!

[johnwang]

Not much technique discussion in RSF lately.

Let me throw in another "single leg" by using your leg to get your opponent's leg. My teacher used this move in a challenge fight (he initiated the challenge) against a Judo master in Beijing 东交民巷 many years ago.

[Ian]

Wang laoshi, your channel is really helpful. Thanks for uploading.

[shawnsegler]

That single leg variation looks sweet. Where are you trying to impact the leg to knock it up? Side of the knee? Muscle above it? Or is that even important?

Thanks for posting.

S

[johnwang]

Where are you trying to impact the leg to knock it up? Side of the knee? Muscle above it? Or is that even important?

There is a pressure point on the inside of your upper leg. But the main thing is not to cause pain but to "bounce" your opponent's leg to be off the ground.

[shawnsegler]

Where are you trying to impact the leg to knock it up? Side of the knee? Muscle above it? Or is that even important?

There is a pressure point on the inside of your upper leg. But the main thing is not to cause pain but to "bounce" your opponent's leg to be off the ground.

Yeah, I get that. It just seemed like something that would require some finesse to apply.

Thanks!

S

[dspyrido]

Its probably OT but do swai jow guys train off the knees? If so then wondering if there much adaptation of the moves or if there are new movesets added or just do what comes natuturally?

[johnwang]

Its probably OT but do swai jow guys train off the knees? If so then wondering if there much adaptation of the moves or if there are new movesets added or just do what comes natuturally?

The "knee strike" is part of the "leg skill". What's important is to use your hands movement to cover the knee strike. If your opponent moves that leg back faster than you can get his leg, you just attack his other leg.

[dspyrido]

Its probably OT but do swai jow guys train off the knees? If so then wondering if there much adaptation of the moves or if there are new movesets added or just do what comes natuturally?

The "knee strike" is part of the "leg skill". What's important is to use your hands movement to cover the knee strike. If your opponent moves that leg back faster than you can get his leg, you just attack his other leg.

Allow me to clarify my question as I was probably not clear. I think you are referring to the knee cover like at 1:47 in the following.



What I was wondering is if shuai jiao was also trained like in the following clip (forward to 0:44)



I don't think there is any grappling off the back in sj but since mats are being used I was curious if off the knees was practiced in sj. If so I was interested in how it would look and whether it had similarities with stand up or if there where different moves.

[johnwang]

What I was wondering is if shuai jiao was also trained like in the following clip (forward to 0:44)

No! In SC if any 2 points (such as 2 knees) of your body besides your feet touching the ground, that round is over.

[dspyrido]

No! In SC if any 2 points (such as 2 knees) of your body besides your feet touching the ground, that round is over.

That clears it. Cheers!

[Pipefighter,PhD]

One thing Chinese wrestling single leg has that western wrestling single leg does not:

Finish with standing leg lock.

Pretty easy to get when your opponent is thinking about his landing, or expecting you to crash on him and you still have his ankle, still standing.

[yeniseri]

I think that Western wrestling did not develop 'single' leg over the ages but I have seen it used with some of the better know wrestlers who, despite being "jammed up', were able to pull off the technique.