Anatomical structure of dantien & ....

[dspyrido]

Hey thanks mixjourney for resetting the thread - I was about to do the same even though where the thread was going was interesting.

I have no context on where [I am] is coming from but your post enlightened me on the physical aspect of TC looking to "empty it" for want of a better term. I understood this as a blend of deflecting with the core/dantien and also containing motion starting from the core to hide intention and lure the opponent. Is this where you are coming from?

From a xy view it is the opposite where at an intermediate level there is a fanatical obsession on core training (after the coordinations and leg building) where the focus is on building the core strength while learning to make it flexible and fluid. The end point expression is to be able to extend the core power to reach it out to the end points of the body. We do look for deflections and softening but that tends to be an ongoing process that increases focus as the core power is learnt.

Your othe points are also interesting. As per an earlier post I did I dont believe the multifaceted use of dantien in daoism, medical or martial concepts is a mistake or abuse of the term but has a relevant connection. But Ill leave that to the scholars to sort out...

[mixjourneyman]

In terms of emptiness things, naturally you also need to have a very strong dantian before you can do that.
much of that comes from correct training. things like weapons work will help- so will push hands, and jibengong.
only much later do you start emptying out the centre. it is as much an emotional thing as physical. if you want to be physically empty, you have to clear the mind first. that is one of the biggest practical uses of emptiness in martial arts- the ability to feel things more clearly due to not overthinking the situation.

[Bodywork]

I think the discussion of emptying of the center is mistaken in principle. You don't void the center, it just becomes present everywhere and metaphorically impossible to find through training to present yin/ yang on all surfaces.
You don't spend decades creating and developing your Dantian to get rid of it.
Dan

[kenneth fish]

+1

[Doc Stier]

+2.

[Iskendar]

I believe it was Einstein who said "If I can see far, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants".

<pedant mode> That would've been Newton. <\pedant mode>

[BonesCom]

I see your pedantry and raise it with context:

Newton said this in a letter to Robert Hooke as a dig (so some think) to his slight stature and hunch back. It was not meant in a nice way...

[edededed]

So - Newton was sort of a dickhead then?

[Michael]

Kyphotic spine, bro. It's be kind to humpback week here in China.

[GrahamB]

So - Newton was sort of a dickhead then?

Interesting article about it:

http://io9.com/5877660/was-robert-hooke ... st-asshole

[BonesCom]

Kyphotic spine, bro. It's be kind to humpback week here in China.

Really? Didn't know there was a big whale population in China

Afa Netwon being a dick, probably. A lot of scientists are (myself included), it's almost required. You need to have a type of single-mindedness arrogance, or at least audacity, to change the current state of knowledge.

[mixjourneyman]

虚心
实腹

[BonesCom]

humbly solid web???

[mixjourneyman]

empty the heart,
fill the stomach.
daodejing chapter three.
dantian has yin and yang, yin and yang has full and empty.
i just posted a translation of the article taiji fahui in another thread.
go have a look.

[Bodywork]

empty the heart,
fill the stomach.
daodejing chapter three.
dantian has yin and yang, yin and yang has full and empty.
i just posted a translation of the article taiji fahui in another thread.
go have a look.

Yin and yang are present always. One supports the other.
There is no... empty...as empty...that is desirable.
Dan