bailu wrote:I think, if you‘re going to claim to have ‘this‘ skill or ‘that‘ skill, you should be prepared to demonstrate it. Otherwise, we could all go around claiming to be masters of the 5-point-exploding-heart technique.
johnwang wrote:I have a TCMA friend who said that he had developed his "short Jin".
Bao wrote:But did he mean that he had developed it as a punching skill that he could do on a bag and similar, or that he had developed the skill and knows how to fight with it?
johnwang wrote:Bao wrote:But did he mean that he had developed it as a punching skill that he could do on a bag and similar, or that he had developed the skill and knows how to fight with it?
As far as I know, that person doesn't not work on heavy bag (or striking target). He also doesn't spar.
bailu wrote:johnwang wrote:Bao wrote:But did he mean that he had developed it as a punching skill that he could do on a bag and similar, or that he had developed the skill and knows how to fight with it?
As far as I know, that person doesn't not work on heavy bag (or striking target). He also doesn't spar.
Which, surely, begs the question: how did he develop it??
MaartenSFS wrote:Either Changjin or Duanjin are MUCH stronger than an average punch due to their level of penetration and the grounded, whole-body power behind them.
MaartenSFS wrote:Either Changjin or Duanjin are MUCH stronger than an average punch due to their level of penetration and the grounded, whole-body power behind them. Anyone that has experienced it would know that. They aren't even in the same league. Duanjin is just a more refined Changjin and can still be applied from any distance (no, not from another room!).
I have now met four different masters with this ability (three Bagua and one Taiji) and they can send one flying back with the gentlest touch or straight to the ground depending on the power and speed used. I have yet to produce this effect, but the training methods are solid and I am noticing improvement. One master in particular is fucking crazy and hits trees and leaves every morning with many parts of his body (it's his intensity and the effect on the trees that makes him crazy). Hitting people is much easier, he says. He doesn't have to store up some power to Fajin, he has trained his body so that each strike is a Fajin. All of these masters' arms are like iron bars and once they get through to your centre (and they will, whether through you fucking up, footwork, etc., you are done. They can take a fair bit of punishment too. This shit works and it's scary. ...And I am learning it.
Also, there are definitely plenty of boxers that can hit hard and penetrate, using full-body power, but I think that the internal way to Fajin is something different again. Tongbeiquan also has an interesting way to Fajin, but loosening the body with their punches being almost like a Muay Thai kick (from what I can tell). It's the ease with which these masters deal these terrible blows that is really special. It's not mystical at all. I can see the stages of progression through many of my Gongfu brothers. You either learned this skill or not. There is a specific way to go about it.
Before studying from my current master I had learned some kind of fake Fajin that looked and felt (to me) really impressive, but was pathetic when I attempted to use it on Shifu and others. "Can you pull down my arms (the very first technique in the form)? Can you push me away? Can you stop me from pushing you? Can you survive a heavier version of this light punch that I am hitting you with through several layers of padding?" The answer to all of those was a resounding "NO". By hitting pads and people (and trees) I can test my progress. This is not possible only through forms work... If you are really interested about experiencing Duanjin you should try finding someone that is not obviously full of shit.
johnwang wrote:Sometime I don't know whether I'm weird or others are weird, What's your opinion on this?
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