Sweating in combat training

[wayne hansen]

The reason they say not to train in cold winds is so you do t keep the heat in

[wayne hansen]

The reason they say not to train in cold winds is so you do t keep the heat in

[RobP2]

There is some truth to it. If your survival require your stamina in water depleting condition. Yes.
However, it is not healthy if not sweating. It is like asking you not to piss.
If it is against nature, dont over do it.

Years back in IMA I was told a few times not to go to the toilet for a few hours after training in order to "keep the heat in".....

[wayne hansen]

The reason for not urinating is so you sweat the heat out cleansing the pores

[dspyrido]

Sweat is considered a type of "blood" in TCM. it is good to sweat a little to allow Qi to flow, move fluids, blood, jing, ying qi, and wei qi. However to much sweating will start to exhaust the blood and create a blood and qi deficiency. So you still have to train hard, but train smart. Make daily practice yield some sweat. Move the mojo and juices.

Hmmm so what would you say about the following...

Warrior conditioning does not require gasoline. Perspiration is our fuel of choice.

(Ross Enamait)

Sweating is an autonomic function that is a byproduct of work. So a little bit of sweat means only a little bit of work. Knowing that the body also depletes a little each day means that the little sweat maintains the cardio conditioning or at best only improves a little. How then can you really boost for combat fitness if you dont push the body barriers?

[RobP2]

The reason for not urinating is so you sweat the heat out cleansing the pores

I'm not sure that's how the body works, in any case the advice mentioned nothing about sweating, in fact that was kind of frowned on too

[Dmitri]

different people may sweat to very different levels from the same exercise.

Another obvious thing I forgot to mention, but seems to be overlooked in some of this discussion: on top of one's hormonal makeup and other internal factors, amount of sweating will hugely depend on simple things like the weather/surrounding conditions, and on what one wears. The same exercise done by the same person in a T-shirt in winter would result in substantially less sweating than if that person wore something warm and it was a hot and humid summer day. Also what/when they ate or drank would be a factor.

Using "sweating" alone as some absolute measurement of anything is probably not the best idea.

[neijia_boxer]

Sweat is considered a type of "blood" in TCM. it is good to sweat a little to allow Qi to flow, move fluids, blood, jing, ying qi, and wei qi. However to much sweating will start to exhaust the blood and create a blood and qi deficiency. So you still have to train hard, but train smart. Make daily practice yield some sweat. Move the mojo and juices.

Hmmm so what would you say about the following...

Warrior conditioning does not require gasoline. Perspiration is our fuel of choice.

(Ross Enamait)

Sweating is an autonomic function that is a byproduct of work. So a little bit of sweat means only a little bit of work. Knowing that the body also depletes a little each day means that the little sweat maintains the cardio conditioning or at best only improves a little. How then can you really boost for combat fitness if you dont push the body barriers?

I believe in hard work, and I trained at a MMA and Muay Thai schools where you end up drenched in sweat. however having good cardio does not mean you are healthy, and being able to train hard without getting tired does not mean you are in poor shape. Both are very different things.

[windwalker]

sometimes what sounds strange is not so strange

Cliff Young participated in the 1983 Sydney to Melbourne race at the age of 61.

He is a farmer and when he strolled up to the starting line, in his gumboots and jacket, everyone looked at him and laughed. They thought he was a silly old man with no idea what he was getting in to. Little did they know...

While everyone else ran for about 18 hours and then slept for 6, Cliff never stopped running.

He ended up running for 5 and a half days straight. Smashing his competition and breaking the course record by more than 12 hours.

Never give up. Cliff, you're an inspiration to us all.

I bet he dosnt sweat much if at all.

[Patrick]

No. Sweating enabled him to do that.

[wayne hansen]

The guy giving the lecture was a bit sketchy with the truth
He did sleep at night and had done training

[meeks]

If it sounds like mystical bullshit, its probably mystical bullshit.

- nailed it.

People that think you can't sweat during "internal training" are of the mystical school of fireballs from fingers and I have zero tolerance for those silk pajama wearing taichee hippies. That's the sales pitch to get people to join (only 15 minutes a day!) and the reason why so many ..*coff coff*... 'internal styles' can't hold up in real challenges outside of 'my forms flow better than yours do' competitions. You want to get good at this stuff? Practise, long hours and exert yourself - your body will figure out the most natural way to do it efficiently, in a coordinated effort throughout the body. If you simply do short duration exercise (no more than 30 min a day for fear of breaking a sweat) you will be reduced to discussing how f-ing amazing other people are, and you wish you had the chops to do what they have somehow managed to do in the same amount of time.

[windwalker]

During exercise, increased capillary hydrostatic pressure caused by elevation of arterial pressure produces plasma volume shifts from the vascular space to the interstitial fluids. Following a rapid efflux of vascular fluid within minutes of exercise, there is very little further reduction in plasma volume during long-term exercise, suggesting protective mechanisms against loss of circulating blood volume. These mechanisms probably include increasing plasma protein oncotic pressure, differences in peripheral vasoconstriction in active muscles and inactive tissues, and elevated lymph flow. The interaction of these factors provides optimal thermoregulatory and cardiovascular stability. The dynamics of fluids shifts during long-term exercise are altered by hydration state.

The hypovolemia caused by dehydration acts to conserve blood volume by reducing the amount of plasma shift and sweat loss during exercise. The consequence is less heat dissipation and greater cardiovascular stability. In contrast, the hypervolemia produced by hyperhydration promotes greater shifts of fluid and sweat loss, resulting in lower body temperature and heart rate during prolonged work. The beneficial effects of hyperdydration and subsequent hypervolemia are manifest in the adaptation of body fluids and electrolytes to exercise training. Thus, with regard to fluid shifts during long-term exercise, training is an effective way to become hyperhydrated and to reduce the limiting effects of working in 'hostile' environments.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11539751

the bottom line is that the more efficient your body becomes to an exercise

your body will figure out the most natural way to do it efficiently, in a coordinated effort throughout the body

the less one will tend to sweat.

[windwalker]

The guy giving the lecture was a bit sketchy with the truth
He did sleep at night and had done training

he probably did, I would imagine, that his body has adapted
pretty much to long distances and is very efficient
in managing its resources. water intake and outtake

what ever happened to the phrase,

"brake a sweat"

Lakers didn't have to break a sweat to beat their opponent. It was an easy match.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... 0a%20sweat

[Patrick]

"Sweat output of athletes under a given stress (passive heating) was markedly higher than that of sedentary men."
"It's pretty clear that the higher your VO2max, the more quickly your glands respond to the signal to start sweating."
"This shows how much sweat a single sweat gland was able to produce. Again, it's pretty clear that higher VO2max correlates with greater output per gland."
"The bottom line is that training teaches your body to sweat more and sooner (though not all training is equal: swimmers, who are generally kept cooler by the water, don't develop as much of a sweating response). Other studies have found that runners actually start sweating at a lower temperature than non-runners, so it's not just that they sweat more. All this is a good thing, because it enables trained athletes to dissipate more heat to keep their body temperatures below the critical values at which point they'd be forced to slow down."



http://www.runnersworld.com/hydration-d ... sweat-more
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0093976

But nothing will change your mind.

PS (it may not be a good idea to quote an article from 1987)

Bye