what's this baguazhang master doing

[wingchun]

Can anyone explain what's going on here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZdtM5p6ZkA

[leifeng]

After doing decades of IMA you can throw your disciples around even by blinking.

[Wanderingdragon]

Just another Fajin demo.

[windwalker]

its been shown before

[Michael Babin]

It demonstrates a dying art "showing respect or humouring the elderly".

[bruce]

bl

[windwalker]

It demonstrates a dying art "showing respect or humouring the elderly".

right

@ the OP

watch the contact point, and what he does with with his other hand
at 2:42 he tells he explains a little to his student.
try drawing a circle from the contact point, going to the teacher, down to the ground up through
the students feet back to the contact point.

[windwalker]

it is not clear to me what they are trying to show in that video. the title says he is a bagua master, is this bagua he is showing? or is it a health exercise or maybe it just chinese culture that my american mind can't grasp. (sarcasm meant as humor).

i don't expect a 94 year old man to move like a 50 year old man and i hope to still be alive and walking at 94 years of age this 94 year old man may have lots of knowledge and skill but what caused the guy in the white shirt to hop?

the original poster asked a good question. it seems that people don't like to answers these kinds of questions.

even though this video has come up before it should be easy to explain what is going on in that video.

No it shouldnt be, It has been explained before, over and over again.
For what ever reason many seem not to get nor to be able to do it.

have to laugh,,enough for me....the 1001 questions can begin.

[Bao]

Can anyone explain what's going on here?

I see an old teacher speaking about and demonstrating principles on how to deal with incoming force.

Or what did you mean?

[wingchun]

No it shouldnt be, It has been explained before, over and over again.

if there are other threads about this video please post them as i can't seem to find any on here.

[Bao]

if there are other threads about this video please post them as i can't seem to find any on here.

Here is one post I found on a search. I remember the vid being topic as well. But that might have been in the old EF forum.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20737&p=345602&hilit=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKZdtM5p6ZkA#p345602

Edit: Found a couple of others by almighty Google.
Post:http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8620&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
Topic http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13718 (W two other clips on the same ol' chap)

But I am sure there are more, but again, maybe on the old EF.

the original poster asked a good question. it seems that people don't like to answers these kinds of questions.

... or is it so that some people don't like the answers ... or maybe have a short memory ....

even though this video has come up before it should be easy to explain what is going on in that video.

I can try again... What is it you don't understand?

[windwalker]

This thread " Understanding ma yu liang push hands"
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22799&p=386605#p386605

25 pages covered it same questions, same answers.

My only conclusion, its not a real question.
It's an attempt of trying to prove a forgone conclusion.

What is questioned and asked are exactly the same things, just as most
if not all the clips tend to show and demo the same ideas/concepts in use.

[wingchun]

Thanks for the replies guy, after going through all the threads you guys posted, none of them explain the internal mechanics of what's going on in the clip. Is the old guy just using a combination of peng jin with intention to bounce his students? Can someone please breakdown what he is doing to affect his students in this manner?

[Bao]

Thanks for the replies guy, after going through all the threads you guys posted, none of them explain the internal mechanics of what's going on in the clip. Is the old guy just using a combination of peng jin with intention to bounce his students? Can someone please breakdown what he is doing to affect his students in this manner?

These clips will explain most of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm9REWZX9F8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=644ptQ0gZZ0
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTE1MDg5M ... -1.1-1-1-1

Is the old guy just using a combination of peng jin with intention to bounce his students?

It's "just" directing and redirecting. There's no "intent" to bounce away anyone. They more or less bounce away themselves.
It's not harder to absorb incoming force than it's to catch a falling egg with a plate without breaking the egg. Or, in the ol' chaps case, more like to catch a stone egg with a porcelain plate. Very easy with some practice.

[bruce]

This thread " Understanding ma yu liang push hands"
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22799&p=386605#p386605

25 pages covered it same questions, same answers.

My only conclusion, its not a real question.
It's an attempt of trying to prove a forgone conclusion.

What is questioned and asked are exactly the same things, just as most
if not all the clips tend to show and demo the same ideas/concepts in use.

pretend its not me asking. pretend you are trying to explain this to a person who see these videos and does not practice ima. what will you tell them is happening? and how will you tell them it relates to defending ones self from a punch in the face?

it seems that the only way to demonstrate this is if the "attacker" remains stiff and unchangeable. is this true?

my questions are legitimate questions. i am not asking and commenting to get a rise out of you:-) or in an attempt to prove a forgone conclusion.

i can see the value in the idea's presented which is why i am interested, it is just hard to wrap my head around the way it is demonstrated and it is hard to understand if these people are practicing a martial art or not, some said in the ma thread that it was just a cultural thing.

the guy in the white hat in the video you sent me is a great example. i look at him and i do not see a fighter i see a office worker who is uncoordinated and physically weak. when that is the type of person one sees doing this practice and when a person like myself has felt people who demonstrate these skills on there own students and then tell me it did not work because my chi is not strong enough it causes things to be confusing.

it is hard to have faith and confidence in what is shown in these videos.

i am not the only one with these questions.

you have to feel it in person is the standard answer as i have said many times before i have and unless i hold my body stiff and bounce myself away nothing happens.

i hope we can meet sometime and i can feel what you are talking about.

how do the ideas that are demoed assuming that these are martial arts ideas and methods work. it seems like any decent fighter would not be so stiff and would not "attack" like is shown in any of these demos.

damn it i typed too much again lol.