Taiji da shou- 5 hammers of Yang Taijiquan gong fu

[river rider]

The Li Taiji of Li Rui Dong has a form called Five Star Hammering Boxing. This form was composed by Li and his original Taiji teacher, Wang Lan Ting (supposed to be a student of Yang Lu Chan), based upon the five fists of Yang Taiji. This is the context in which I first heard of the Five Fists of Taiji.

[neijia_boxer]

To judge a thing (veracity/discernment), I have been unable to find any references in present methodology to Yang Family taijiquan with 5 Hammers hence my questions. It seems to be a domain of Xu Yu-sheng of his Yang generation but unknown since no other Yang Family or Style uses that terminology!

Yang family teaches them , just not the specific "Hammer" name.

14. 进步搬拦捶 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step forward, Parry Block and Punch
28. 转身撇身捶 zhuan3 shen1 pie1 shen1 chui2 Turn Body and Chop with Fist
29. 进步搬拦捶 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step Forward, Parry Block and Punch
42. 进步栽锤 jin4 bu4 zai1 chui2 Step Forward and Punch Down
43. 转身撇身锤 zhuan3 shen1 pie1 shen1 chui2 Turn Body and Chop with Fist
44. 进步搬拦锤 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step Forward, Parry Block and Punch
52. 进步搬拦锤 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step Forward, Parry Block and Punch
81. 转身白蛇吐信 zhuan3 shen1 bai2 she2 tu4 xin4 Turn Bodyand White Snake Spits out Tongue
82. 进步搬拦捶 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step Forward, Parry Block and Punch
91. 进步指裆锤 jin4 bu4 zhi3 dang1 chui2 Step Forward and Punch Groin
99. 进步搬拦捶 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step Forward, Parry Block and Punch


http://www.yangfamilytaichi.com/about/forms/hand-103

[allen2saint]

Some of this is in the Tai Chi Two Person Dance book by Jonathan Russell. It's based on TT Liang's work.

[neijia_boxer]

The Li Taiji of Li Rui Dong has a form called Five Star Hammering Boxing. This form was composed by Li and his original Taiji teacher, Wang Lan Ting (supposed to be a student of Yang Lu Chan), based upon the five fists of Yang Taiji. This is the context in which I first heard of the Five Fists of Taiji.

any youtubes of that? I could not find using "Li Rui Dong" "5 star boxing" and "Yang five fists"

this is tight however:



found this on Li rui Dong Taiji:

[neijia_boxer]

BTW- i really suprised someone hasn't trolled and said:

[allen2saint]

That Li style Tai Chi form is stellar. That's fluid strength.

[wayne hansen]

Too much inconsistency in that form for me

[edededed]

Hammer = fist, essentially, because the two characters have the same sounds. Well, it is probably easy to write one or the other by mistake.

Incidentally, I also heard about the "five fists" of Yang taiji from a Xu Yusheng line.

[yeniseri]

Yang family teaches them , just not the specific "Hammer" name.

14. 进步搬拦捶 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step forward, Parry Block and Punch
28. 转身撇身捶 zhuan3 shen1 pie1 shen1 chui2 Turn Body and Chop with Fist
29. 进步搬拦捶 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step Forward, Parry Block and Punch
42. 进步栽锤 jin4 bu4 zai1 chui2 Step Forward and Punch Down
43. 转身撇身锤 zhuan3 shen1 pie1 shen1 chui2 Turn Body and Chop with Fist
44. 进步搬拦锤 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step Forward, Parry Block and Punch
52. 进步搬拦锤 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step Forward, Parry Block and Punch
81. 转身白蛇吐信 zhuan3 shen1 bai2 she2 tu4 xin4 Turn Bodyand White Snake Spits out Tongue
82. 进步搬拦捶 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step Forward, Parry Block and Punch
91. 进步指裆锤 jin4 bu4 zhi3 dang1 chui2 Step Forward and Punch Groin
99. 进步搬拦捶 jin4 bu4 ban1 lan2 chui2 Step Forward, Parry Block and Punch

Is there a specific teaching methodology in function and utility in this knowledge as I remain ignorant on this!
Experientially, I have been taught these movements as part of form, structure and sometimes usage but that was the extent of my learning. As I see no specific reason for naming or designation of this Five Hammers, I imagine that those who actually use it, that there must be a separate dimension as to their MEANING and methodology! In a similar vein, liuhebafa (concept and principle) is distinct from the art so named that it has become form without function though it is excellent for gymnastic performance and congratulatory praise in execution.

[neijia_boxer]

There is supposed to be a group in Beijing called 5 yang fists or something like that. I talking to a few people about it. I will report back when i get some clarity. I was told about this group when I learned Taiji Da Shou. I am wondering if they are a branch from Xu Yu-sheng.