going to the ground--the legal consequences

[grzegorz]

Fighting is precarious full stop - no need to bring the ground into it.

That author also has zero understanding that you can also control somebody on the ground without stomping their face, or being stomped.

This:
http://youtu.be/GJX9QnrZtfc

Sorry G, but I don't think this is the type of scenario being discussed here. Ryan Hall's posse was probably as important as his jits. The question is if he was alone and other people also attacked him what would have happened?

Yes, it is impressive and the ground happens and perhaps it is propaganda but I still think the original article makes some valid points worth thinking about.

[GrahamB]

Fighting is precarious full stop - no need to bring the ground into it.

That author also has zero understanding that you can also control somebody on the ground without stomping their face, or being stomped.

This:
http://youtu.be/GJX9QnrZtfc

Sorry G, but I don't think this is the type of scenario being discussed here. Ryan Hall's posse was probably as important as his jits. The question is if he was alone and other people also attacked him what would have happened?

Yes, it is impressive and the ground happens and perhaps it is propaganda but I still think the original article makes some valid points worth thinking about.

Yes, I agree that's not the scenario being discussed... but that's exactly my point! He presents a view of going to the ground in one particular type of situation, before rounding it off with generic advice that sounds like it applies to all situations, which is along the lines of "going to the ground means bad things happen".

I'm not saying the article doesn't make valid points, but it kind of annoys me that it talks about a specific situation and transposes that to generic advice - it's sloppy thinking.

[allen2saint]

Hopefully most of us have some facility at controlling our emotions, even if just for the sake of combat efficiency, so that stomping on the face of a downed opponent out of anger wouldn't be an acceptable option anyway, right?

If I stun or momentarily drop the attacker that'splenty for me.

[Michael]

I'm trying to imagine an anger management class for face-stompers.

[grzegorz]

Fighting is precarious full stop - no need to bring the ground into it.

That author also has zero understanding that you can also control somebody on the ground without stomping their face, or being stomped.

This:
http://youtu.be/GJX9QnrZtfc

Sorry G, but I don't think this is the type of scenario being discussed here. Ryan Hall's posse was probably as important as his jits. The question is if he was alone and other people also attacked him what would have happened?

Yes, it is impressive and the ground happens and perhaps it is propaganda but I still think the original article makes some valid points worth thinking about.

Yes, I agree that's not the scenario being discussed... but that's exactly my point! He presents a view of going to the ground in one particular type of situation, before rounding it off with generic advice that sounds like it applies to all situations, which is along the lines of "going to the ground means bad things happen".

I'm not saying the article doesn't make valid points, but it kind of annoys me that it talks about a specific situation and transposes that to generic advice - it's sloppy thinking.

I see where you are coming from now. Yes I agree, denial or not it is a part of fighting and like knife fighting or any other style of fighting certain risks and consequences are involved.

[JessOBrien]

RAIDERS!

[Bhassler]

I'm not saying the article doesn't make valid points, but it kind of annoys me that it talks about a specific situation and transposes that to generic advice - it's sloppy thinking.

It is sloppy, and it's shameful, really. Kind of like reading one article about a specific aspect of groundfighting and transposing that to an assumption that the author has no understanding of ground fighting.

[GrahamB]

Oooooh you bitch.

[aiasthewall]

Good article.

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIDERS!
Fuck the Seahags!

Think the Raiders will get 3 wins next season?

Pretty sure we are playoffs bound, again.

Go Hawks!

[JessOBrien]

Hahah, yeah we'll see how it goes. Picked up a new coach off your roster and your MVP linebacker, so hopefully they can bring some of that home to Oakland. Raiders VS Seahawks Superbowl 2015.

[Bhassler]

Oooooh you bitch.

[grzegorz]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... thing.html

Brutal beating in Brooklyn McDonald's of a female student. I think this is what the original writer had in mind.

[Bhassler]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2990448/Cowards-Video-footage-shows-student-mercilessly-beaten-gang-girls-McDonald-s-restaurant-large-crowd-simply-stands-does-nothing.html

Brutal beating in Brooklyn McDonald's of a female student. I think this is what the original writer had in mind.

Not really-- that video would only become relevant if charges were filed against the stomper. There are better examples, like the other thread where the fight went to the ground and a third party came up and started stabbing one of the original fighters.

[grzegorz]

Charges have been filed against the stomper. I actually prefer this one because this one was probably a street fight that got out of hand whereas the other was likely a planned murder attempt, probably a drug deal gone wrong.

[Steve James]

Imo, the "legal consequences" (to the stomper) have nothing to do with being on the ground or not. There have been more recent cases of people being punched, falling, and dying from impact than of a person deliberately going to the ground. The "physical consequences" that come from being exposed on the ground are a different concern. In general, it's illegal to beat someone to death with one's bare hands, especially if that person is helpless. And in general, it's also illegal to kill or harm someone when it is not a case of self defense. The exceptions being sports events and training.

I do think that the more people there are who practice mma (or grappling), the more likely those types of encounters will occur. So, if you get into fights, it's more likely today than it was 30 years ago that the opponent will know how to grapple. Someone mentioned in this thread, iinm, that there were students at schools who would go out into the "real world" to practice. Imo, that's just assault and battery, even if they provoke the opponent to attack first. f