Imperial Yang?

[Bao]

I don't get the difference

If you your teacher who is smaller and weaker throws you around with no effort = Stuff works
If you are thrown around by a stronger guy who uses force = You can not make your teacher's stuff work

Conclusion = Stuff works, you suck

but most often it is due to an intellectual misunderstanding or misinterpretation of basic principles and/or a lack of serious training over a sufficient length of time to internalize the method.

I would say mostly the latter. Too much intellectualizing, too little serious practice. If you have a lot of intellectual understanding but without the ability to make things work when it counts = you still suck.

[wayne hansen]

Any film of you doing stuff bao so I can be enlightened

[Bao]

Any film of you doing stuff bao so I can be enlightened

Enlighten you about how much I suck?!
Nooooo way dude....

Sry, no vids of me humiliating big, strong people.
...But I am recording one in my fantasy right now....

Jokes aside, no two-man practice vids available. But if you want to have a small glimpse of me and how much I suck, I did record some basic practice when I was too bored "guarding" on office/store for a couple of years ago. Here's some "arm swing exercises". Please have the sound on so you can enjoy the "weight" of the relaxed movements. Pls, enlighten my about how much I suck.

Password: rumsoaked
https://vimeo.com/119566481

Edit: Sry for going completely off topic and ruin the thread.

[wayne hansen]

Got me with the old private video trap

[Bao]

I gave you password to the vid. Use it.

[wayne hansen]

I see it now

[wayne hansen]

Is that really you
I learnt those exercises as ba ji not tai chi

[Bao]

Is that really you
I learnt those exercises as ba ji not tai chi

Me? Yes. Why do you ask? Surprised? Too ugly I guess...

I learned exactly the same drills from teachers from various styles, Tai Chi, Bagua and Xingyi. They are to be found in Tongbei and similar styles as well. The exercises that I learned from different teachers were the same, but the interpretation and the focus was very, very different. The last one that a bagua teacher told me was called "crane's wing" was done very strict by the bagua teacher. He would stand with straight back in a cat stance, moving only waist and arm. But earlier I was introduced by a Tai Chi teacher in Beijing. He also adopted some exercises from Shaolin. He was very soft and supple, he used his whole body from a deep stance. Very different feeling and appearance. I used these exercises to more or less cut off the arms and focus on the legs. It's a good relaxation exercise. I did this kind of exercise quite regularly with my classes, but practice them very seldom nowadays.

[taiwandeutscher]

Nice, Bao! You look relaxed!

We do nearly the same swings in Xiong Yanghe lineage /Yang Jianhou TJQ.

We also swing onto the toes of one foot, to enlarge the twisting of the trunk!
Those are really good little exercises for office people, desk workers, just to get shoulders and neck relaxed. From there you can go anywhere in your training!

[edededed]

Nice vid - but yeah, I got the "is that really you" impression, too, for some reason

I learned some similar-looking exercises in bagua and tongbei - but they were considered important in the latter, not really so in the former.

[wayne hansen]

I asked if it was you because I had a very different image in my mind

[willywrong]

I asked if it was you because I had a very different image in my mind

That was before he grew up had a haircut, got married and had kids oh and got a job. He's much ugieler now.

David I find too much movement thru the kua area so much prefer CMC contant bear which I still practise when I can.

[Bao]

Nice, Bao! You look relaxed!

Thanks, appreciated.

I learned some similar-looking exercises in bagua and tongbei - but they were considered important in the latter, not really so in the former.

Make sense to me. I think they are good as softening exercises, but they really make no sense until you have built some foundation and understand whole body movement. Especially so in tai chi where this kind of movement is very much the opposite to whole body coordination.

I asked if it was you because I had a very different image in my mind

Yeah, I know. In my head, I am a 1,90 meter tall body builder.

That was before he grew up had a haircut, got married and had kids oh and got a job. He's much ugieler now.

Mmmm.... this is the first and only time ever that I have had long hair, so I usually look a bit less wild ...

David I find too much movement thru the kua area so much prefer CMC contant bear which I still practise when I can.

Fair comment. Keeping a firm base might be better. But you know, I really don't pay attention to the kua or try to coordinate this area in any way. Mostly I just think of using the legs and try to make the upper body movements long. But yes, I know a teacher or two that would agree with you.

Sorry mods for Hi-jacking this thread.