Take advantage on the gravity

[johnwang]

- Move your center in front of your base,
- allow the gravity to pull you forward,
- step forward and readjust your base to move your center inside your base, and
- regain your balance back.

Do you train something like this? If yes, why? If no, why?

[dspyrido]

Doesn't this get trained whenever you grapple standing?

Also I think it is trained at greek weddings.

[wayne hansen]

Get them some medication

[GrahamB]

It's very hard to generate power in punches when you are leaning forward out of your base as gravity makes you fall forward.

Look at Renan Barao trying to punch Dillashaw when out of his base:

http://gfycat.com/CanineLiveBubblefish

[Ian]

Do you train something like this? If yes, why? If no, why?

Yes, because they're a key part of any throwing style

It's very hard to generate power in punches when you are leaning forward out of your base as gravity makes you fall forward.

Don't you know about Dempsey's Championship Fighting?

"You unquestionably will be tempted to shift some of the weight from the left foot to the right foot just before you step. But don't do it. Do nothing with the right foot, which is resting lightly on its ball, NO PRELIMINARY MOVEMENT! Just lift the left foot and LET THE BODY FALL FORWARD IN A LONG, QUICK STEP. The left foot should land flat and solid on the floor at the end of the step.

It is a quick, convulsive and extremely awkward step. Yet, it's one of the most important steps of your fistic life; for that falling-forward lurch is the rough diamond out of which will be ground the beautiful, straight knockout jolt. It's the gem-movement of straight punching."

Or fencing's fleche?

[GrahamB]

It's not the step - it's being 'out of your base' that is the problem - bending at the waist

[wiesiek]

JW vid.: ouhi gari - judo tech, in SJ solo training form
I like SJ solo type of training , but big inner sweep is better to train with the uke I suppose .

[Ian]

It's not the step - it's being 'out of your base' that is the problem - bending at the waist

"It's very hard to generate power in punches when you are leaning forward out of your base as gravity makes you fall forward."

You absolutely need to fall and lean in order to perform the falling step, fleche, and sacrifice throws.

Or do you mean something else?

[GrahamB]

I think you're just getting bogged down in words - just look at the Barao video - that's what I mean.

[GrahamB]

Think of it this way - if you went to do a hip throw on somebody and you are already bent over as you turn your back on them it's not going to work because you have prematurely used the power of the bend - same as trying to punch from a bent over position.

[Ian]

Ok, but I don't think John was talking about bending at the waist and leaving your legs behind... He was talking about leaning, falling, and regaining balance.

[wiesiek]

with the leg sweep in between

[Steve James]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiJs6_2P2A

[wayne hansen]

Jack is not like the first clip
He is basically in the Wu brush knee posture when he punches

[johnwang]

Here is the application for that solo drill. In SC, it's called "切(Qie) - front cut". The same principle can be used in many throws. The difference between this principle and Judo sacrifice throw principle is in this drill you try to regain your balance back (sometime you may not be able to). In Judo (or MMA) approach, you may not have the "intention (or desire)" to regain your balance back, you just go down with your opponent.

I had used this principle in striking before. The distance between my opponent and I was a bit too far that if I kept my body straight up, my fist won't be able to hit my opponent. I leaned forward to gain that extra distance. The contact between my fist and my opponent's face helped me to regain my balance back. But if I missed that punch, I might have to regain my balance back by myself.