Trapping

[GrahamB]

That's definitely not what I consider to be trapping. Just my personal opinion. It's all good!

Catch up Doc, things have moved on since your day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZVlwLluF4Y

[I am...]

Trapping is and has been present in fighting for as long as there have been people. Fighting has not changed, though what is popular has certainly shifted many, many times.

[Bao]

First most basic trap, Jab/hook.

As in arm wrapping? Isn't that more a kind of set up for arm wrapping?

Trapping should trap the opponents entire body not just the limb IME regardless of contact point. The opponent should feel like they are 'trapped' in a corner with one escape route, and because you know this escape route your finishing move is easier. This is my aim with Trapping, put them into a completely defensive/recovery cycle from the first touch and during their recovery phase attack them to finish. ...

...For instance, Serge would do something called 'capturing the gaze/eyes' and it was extremely hard to stop even thought the opponent is trained.

Interesting... I associate the term trapping mostly with leg maneuvers, making an opponent stationary. Of course, you can lock someone's root from connecting hands with hands, but I don't consider that trapping. In IMA, the first thing you do is trying to lock him up, but there are many ways to do it. (Not that it's always easy to pull it of,) but trapping is IMHO only one of many way to lock up position or structure. ...

...Hmmmm....

[Wanderingdragon]

As a schoolyard basic, you throw the jab he reaches to fan it and you grab the arm and punch him in the jaw, childhood bullshit, that later translated very well into Xing I.

[Doc Stier]

That's definitely not what I consider to be trapping. Just my personal opinion. It's all good!

Catch up Doc, things have moved on since your day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZVlwLluF4Y

Thanks for enlightening me, Graham, and bringing me up to speed on the latest advances in partner training. U da man!

[MaartenSFS]

Trapping is and has been present in fighting for as long as there have been people. Fighting has not changed, though what is popular has certainly shifted many, many times.

That's Qinna - often overlooked as well..

[MaartenSFS]

As a schoolyard basic, you throw the jab he reaches to fan it and you grab the arm and punch him in the jaw, childhood bullshit, that later translated very well into Xing I.

Trapping can involve grabbing, but usually contact is very light. Grabbing limits your actions and can actually help the opponent predict or Ting[jin] your next move.

[dspyrido]

Trapping is also referred to as pinning. In mt/kickboxing pinning it is usually single dimensional - pin one hand strike with the other or pin and strike. In sticking arts the trapping also can take both limbs but also tries to control the other attacking points. So in trapping this way a pin can start at the wrist, then secondary hand can pin the other arm at the elbow and then cross them down.

The best part of good trapping is the short range power of targetted strikes at sensitive points while reinforcing the trap. This is not used in kickboxing as gloves require momentum to compress the padding. In mt it is done with the elbows but without a grip it is too slippery to land so is not usually practised. Also as there are no points in it then it's only used to shake out of infighting.

When a head butt, elbow, grip and shouldering are combined then trapping becomes an excellent linking moved to the next stage of striking, disabling (chinna) and throwing. The problem with many sticking arts is when they focus too much on the stick at the cost of striking, bridging, locking and throwing.

[Wanderingdragon]

As a schoolyard basic, you throw the jab he reaches to fan it and you grab the arm and punch him in the jaw, childhood bullshit, that later translated very well into Xing I.

Trapping can involve grabbing, but usually contact is very light. Grabbing limits your actions and can actually help the opponent predict or Ting[jin] your next move.

You do see the qualification " schoolyard basic "?

[johnwang]

Grabbing limits your actions and can actually help the opponent predict or Ting[jin] your next move.

Grabbing also limit your opponent's actions as well. It can also help you to predict or Ting your opponent's next move. The grabbing is a 2 ways street. The advantage that you have when you grab your opponent are, you can

- use it as "distraction/setup".
- decide when to release that grip.
- guide his arm away from your attacking path.
- guide his arm to jam his other arm.
- ...

If you can use your right hand to grab on your opponent's left wrist, when you release that grip, you will have chance to use your right arm to

- punch on his head,
- lock on his head,
- wrap around his waist,
- under hook his left shoulder,
- ...

IMO, grabbing is a "door opening" move. It can open your door and give you many different options.

[MaartenSFS]

Trapping is also referred to as pinning. In mt/kickboxing pinning it is usually single dimensional - pin one hand strike with the other or pin and strike. In sticking arts the trapping also can take both limbs but also tries to control the other attacking points. So in trapping this way a pin can start at the wrist, then secondary hand can pin the other arm at the elbow and then cross them down.

The best part of good trapping is the short range power of targetted strikes at sensitive points while reinforcing the trap. This is not used in kickboxing as gloves require momentum to compress the padding. In mt it is done with the elbows but without a grip it is too slippery to land so is not usually practised. Also as there are no points in it then it's only used to shake out of infighting.

When a head butt, elbow, grip and shouldering are combined then trapping becomes an excellent linking moved to the next stage of striking, disabling (chinna) and throwing. The problem with many sticking arts is when they focus too much on the stick at the cost of striking, bridging, locking and throwing.

Very good points, mate.

[MaartenSFS]

Grabbing limits your actions and can actually help the opponent predict or Ting[jin] your next move.

Grabbing also limit your opponent's actions as well. It can also help you to predict or Ting your opponent's next move. The grabbing is a 2 ways street. The advantage that you have when you grab your opponent are, you can

- use it as "distraction/setup".
- decide when to release that grip.
- guide his arm away from your attacking path.
- guide his arm to jam his other arm.
- ...

If you can use your right hand to grab on your opponent's left wrist, when you release that grip, you will have chance to use your right arm to

- punch on his head,
- lock on his head,
- wrap around his waist,
- under hook his left shoulder,
- ...

IMO, grabbing is a "door opening" move. It can open your door and give you many different options.

You are totally right. It can go both ways.

[Ba-men]

Trapping.... is another extreme waste of time.... developing a skill that works 60% of the time in 1% or all encounters (Ummm... that's Ron Burgundy... i.e. Anchorman logic)



Not to bust anyone's trapping bubble.......
Only the most simplified traps work. And these traps don't need to be honed, polished or whatever....Why? because these simplified traps only will work in specific circumstances... done very easily... ala pushing someone arm out of the way etc, nothing special,...
I've stated here often... simple methods all revolving around standard boxing footwork and positioning negate 99% of this shit. If Bruce Lee would ever have actually fought in a real competitive venue, or the WC people exposing this garbage would do the same... then they would see what a waste of time developing this skill set is (or others like it ala... Tui shou etc...)

It's legal in boxing.... yet you don't see it. Why? (if you do.... only in a very extreme simplified version )
it's legal in MMA.... yet you don't see it. Why? (if you do.... only in a very extreme simplified version )

Don't believe me..? step into a ring.... see how much you use those trapping skills.... probably work about 60% of the time in about 1% of all your fights....

[Bhassler]

Oh, right, if it doesn't work in the ring, it's bullshit. Don't know how we all forgot that. Next time I get stopped by a mugger I'll advise him that he'd be better off leaving the knife at home and getting a nice pair of 14 oz boxing gloves.

[bartekb]

So are you saying if something doesnt work hands vs hands it will start working hands vs a knife?