Haha, forgot about that one. I think it may just fit the bill, the thing I was trying to point out though is that people often ask for video evidence here and elsewhere (which is fine, i'd like some too), but if these videos are the best even this forum can come up with for answering this...
Spncr wrote:There are no videos of even decent Wing Chun being used in a fight that I am aware of... Which proves nothing.
Just out of curiosity, excluding JJ and MT, can anyone post a video that shows ANY TMA being used effectively in a fight?
... and this is the best response someone can come up with (so far)...
bartekb wrote:as for TMA - wrestling is TMA - its 2000 years old:) boxing has been an olympic discipline since 600 BC:)
... does that then prove that all IMA are useless in a real situations? IMO, no. I think that the amount of members present here also confirms that many other people agree with me.
Bartekb, the reason I only included JJ and MT is because I doubt many people here dispute the efficacy of these style and I don't doubt that theres plenty of video evidence available of their use in actual fights. I should have included Wrestling and Boxing too though but I figured I didn't have to because of their strong ties to sport and also because of the available video evidence of their use in fights.
I was trying to see if anyone had any examples of CMA, JMA etc (either IMA or not) being used effectively in a real situation, this is after all an IMA forum. I was replying to this:
Ba-men wrote:I have never witnessed in person or viewed any film of WC or JKD trapping ever done in any serious competitive venue. I've seen very simple unmodified trapping work but NO art could lay a claim to that and... as stated... what I've witnessed is few and far in-between. Nuff said! The proof is in any 5 min search on Youtube in the field of any competitive sport fighting venue (MMA Sanda, Sanshou, Muai Thai or Kick Boxing, Boxing...... or a trip to the local boxing gym. Once reality sets in... i.e. that it doesn't work against someone who has just a little experience in any competitive sport boxing (or kick boxing/muai thai) or against someone just a little adept at competitive grappling/wrestling ..... People then start grasping...... believing that somehow there is a secret formula for making this junk work. they convince themselves they just haven't found it yet. Or (thinking they are practical....) mind fuck themselves into believing they just haven't practiced it hard enough!
Ba-men, I first started training TMA when I was 4 and I left it 15 years later to train MMA because I thought it was more realistic, practical etc (basically I started thinking CMA was BS.) After a few years had gone by my cousin asked me to accompany him to a WC class so that I could help him verify if a Sifu nearby him was worth training with. At the time I was train MMA 3-5 hours a day 7 days a week and bouncing 3 days a week (lots of fights) in addition to working out 5 days a week (which I had been doing for the previous 3ish years), after that first WC class I stopped training MMA immediately and started train WC 7 days a week. My Sifu handled me without breaking a sweat, he opened my eyes to different ways of generating power, being stable, preventing and healing injuries, + other awesome benefits (including vastly improved fighting skill). What I'm saying is that what you said, applys to not only WC, but basically every TMA/IMA... but this proves nothing... to me anyways.
