Small Thought: Embellished Movements

[Martin2]

Just a small thought, but I think you will like it:

http://taichi-philosophy.blogspot.de/20 ... ments.html

Martin

[Doc Stier]

Generally speaking, embellished flowery movement is intended to enhance visual impact for performance beauty, either in form competition or for public demonstration. It most often adds little or nothing to the potential fighting applications efficiency, and in most cases probably diminishes same as the additional, superfluous movement requires extra time and effort to perform. Just saying!

[Martin2]

Hey Doc,

thx. Very nice "generally" spoken.

Should be written somewhere as a guideline of "how to train martial arts".

Greetings

Martin

[Bao]

Generally speaking, embellished flowery movement is intended to enhance visual impact for performance beauty, either in form competition or for public demonstration. It most often adds little or nothing to the potential fighting applications efficiency,

If the flowery stuff meets the standard of the body methods of the art, frankly, I couldn't care less and I would have nothing against it.

Simplicity is great. But an amount of artistic capacity and creativity is IMHO also a great thing and often necessary to personalize and individualize the art, i.e. making the art your own personal property.

a guideline of "how to train martial arts".

Wow, can't hardly Imagine how many discussions on different forums such a guide would make.
... A general guideline... regardless style... regardless tradition, culture and regardless if you study for self-defence, sport, as gymnastics or health practice.... One Ultimate guide, preferably written by some random guy who only practiced a couple of mainstream arts as Judo and Taekwondo... The ulimate MA trolling. Can't wait for it. Sincerely.

[Martin2]

Hey Bao,

how right you are - better no guideline.

All the best

Martin

[Wanderingdragon]

Knowing what is flourish and what is function.y
An art can be diluted or raped in either case it will lose efficacy by the change.

[warriorprincess]

Hi Dragon,
Could you not have made your point without misusing the word rape. That's not what happens to an art; it what happens to people.

Stella

[willie]

The flowery motion does have fighting value and application's, It's just that most people don't know that material.
As I had said, there is a lot of information that is not in the main stream.
I have some of the app's and they cost me a lot.
I will say this. If your doing your forms without direct intent and have not installed the proper
mechanics then the whole art is worthless martially. Even 40 years wont help out much. Good for health and or spiritual work only.

[johnwang]

Yesterday when my wife was driving, My hands did arm drag, single leg, neck wiping kick combo. It was 6 circular moves 3 for the right hand and 3 for the left hand. If anyone every adds that into the form, it can be really "flowery".

IMO, the "flowery" move is against the principle of "1 is better than 1,2 and 1,2 is better than 1,2,3". Can you apply arm drag by just 1 move without going through 2 moves? Unless you are much better than your opponent so you can jump into the elbow gate by passing the wrist gate.

[Wanderingdragon]

Sorry Warriorprincess, rape is a heinous crime, please forgive my callous misuse of the word to make such a mundane point.

[willie]

Yesterday when my wife was driving, My hands did arm drag, single leg, neck wiping kick combo. It was 6 circular moves 3 for the right hand and 3 for the left hand. If anyone every adds that into the form, it can be really "flowery".

IMO, the "flowery" move is against the principle of "1 is better than 1,2 and 1,2 is better than 1,2,3". Can you apply arm drag by just 1 move without going through 2 moves? Unless you are much better than your opponent so you can jump into the elbow gate by passing the wrist gate.

Arm drag short power to shock and destroy, then cut, shear, drill or break. personally I like short power break but sometimes
a whirlpool throws cups of water.