DEER type of the breathing ?

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DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby wiesiek on Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:23 am

My GF /43 y.o./ has idea to stop menstruation cycle.
All what I know about the subject is - that Buddhist nuns use >deer < type of breathing to achieve it. /described for ex, in Cohen`s Qigong book/
Do female part of our board would be so kind ,and write some 1st hand experience /opinions here?
I have only shallow info from the male side :(
So,:
practise of the deer breathing is stimulating jing production.

how it can be used to stops menstruation cycle ?
and
what`s are pro/cons ?
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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby Bill on Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:45 am

When you start deer breathing at 43 it will take 10 years of practice to achieve those results.
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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby wude on Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:50 am

43 y old.. with all due respect, a couple of more years and she won't be menstruating no more buddy :P
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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby Wanderingdragon on Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:24 am

Deer breathing?
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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby wiesiek on Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:46 am

@wude, with all due respect, if couple means 10 +... , nature proffessore :-\
btw,are you female or TCM doc?

@WD - during light rocking movement in mabu - contacting around tailbone when breathing in,
relaxing - when exhale .

@ Bill - are you sure ?, Iv`e been thinkin` more like 2-3years,, 8-)
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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby Michael on Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:59 am

Oh dear.
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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby Franklin on Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:40 am

wiesiek wrote:
@WD - during light rocking movement in mabu - contacting around tailbone when breathing in,
relaxing - when exhale .

@ Bill - are you sure ?, Iv`e been thinkin` more like 2-3years,, 8-)



the one I am familiar with is much different
you can find a bunch of versions in print (in english)

for the female version
usually done seated
it usually starts wit a massage of the breasts
and then the deer exercise itself involves holding the breath and contracting the pelvic floor upward

female friends that have tried it
tell me they stopped their period within 1-3 months of practice

i would guess that the physical mechanism works by mimicking the internal changes that happen after childbirth
where the internal resources are directed upwards to the breasts
and the period no longer comes


of course I don't have any direct experience with the female version
but have practiced the male version


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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby D_Glenn on Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:54 am

斬赤龍 Zhan Chilong (beheading the scarlet dragon)

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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby yeniseri on Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:47 pm

Despite my long association with TCM/CCM specifically from a /daoyin/yangshengon/neigong aka qigong perspective, much of these arcane methods (due to translation) seem so absurd) that I am surprised it has gotten this far. In my imperfect way of passing on what what little I know, I tend to frame that perspective from the 'chest breathing" mode (shallow breathing) to a lower abdomen one, starting with zhanzhuang, neigong and finally ending with a longer/shorter inhale/exhale perspective.

Regarding the initial question, I would just say let nature takes it course. I have added in a few circles that the hands to dantian/qihai for females may become problematic due to increasing bleeding episodes, or its opposite, based on the diet or health of the individual practitioner. Per basic protocol, one should see the family practitioner with all medical problems based on severity and quality of life (QOL) issues.
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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby wude on Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:53 am

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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby wiesiek on Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:58 pm

wow, Franklin
it is lighting speed !, do you know somebody with 1st hand experience?

no prblemo wude,
what is most important in the subject - are health/longevity benefits if any,
and what`s wrong... ?

I`m personally with yeniseri -go with nature flow,
but
IF it was invented and still is practiced :
what`s the purpose of such training, besides obvious disappearing 3 discomfort days in the month?
but
斬赤龍 Zhan Chilong (beheading the scarlet dragon) , /thanks D_Glenn/ is big work in the hormone system - whole body is extremely affected by it ...
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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby allen2saint on Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:36 pm

The IMA standard for what is considered "proven" and what Western medicine considers "proven" are very different things. A lot of these things are anecdotal evidence and even the data on Tai Chi/Chi Gung's affect on health is shaky at best. I wouldn't bother.
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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby vagabond on Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:31 pm

I don't know about deer breathing but I've known friends to lighten their flows or stop bleeding by eating lots of bioflavonoids. Strengthens cell walls
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Re: DEER type of the breathing ?

Postby wiesiek on Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:51 am

allen, follw your logic, we can trash amost whole "fu" staff...,
but
things like "silver spear" or iron shirt ,broadly speakin` - are quite real...

v. - what kind suplements and amount of the bioflavonoids you`re talkin` about?

and
love to hear opinion from female part of the board.
Any experience?
Did any of you try it at all?
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