Mingmen is dantian??

[WuKong]

Hello,

About the Ming Men and the cultivation of the dantian.

Is the dantian actually the mingmen?

edited.

[charles]

[wayne hansen]

I am always doubtfull of any school who teaches two arts at the same time

[wiesiek]

to be exact:
DT is located inside between Qihai point on the belly and Mingmen which is on the back .
so DT
is floating like vessel over/inside the kua and between Du and Ren central meridians.

ps
connecting Qihai and Mingmen is unknown technique for me, however it may happen during reverse breathing.

[WuKong]

Edited.

[willie]

[Bao]

No it's not. You find a good explanation here: http://www.acupuncture-points.org/ming-men.html

[charles]

Aaah fuck it

Agreed.

[WuKong]

Aaah fuck it

[willie]

lol!

[KEND]

There is an exercise which consists of defining the lower DT [the energy sphere occupying the lower abdomen], identifying entry points[front and back] and joing them, drawing energy to the kidneys for storage and distribution

[marvin8]

Aaah fuck it

WuKong, did you edit the OP because you felt like this woman?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEoMO0pc7k
Sorry, just wanted to post this somewhere.

Continue with the original topic . . .

[yeniseri]

From a CCM absolutist point of view, mingmen is dantian in that reference as dantain, since one time dantian had about 5 locations over centuries. Mingmen is just the posterior dantian (lower, in this case).
In a relativist point of view per modern viewpoint, they speak to the central 'ground point of daimai and fits its framework well. I am sure there exists texts on their validity but it is complementary while noting is goes against the current TCM model, where mingmen, dantian (obviously we need to verify as it does not refrerence upper, middle or lower, where the latter is qihai while sharing distinction of front and back location references.
Personally mingmen isn't, doesn't appear to have the necessary foundation to improve daimai but structurally and mechanistically with anatomy and physiology, any weakness of lumbar-sacral area (mingmen/shenshu affects the body's foundation and when the lower (actually middle roots) suffers, cracks within a foundation (musculoskeletal) will showitself

My CCM/TCM reference for women with menstrual lower back stiffness is application of hands at mengmen/shenshu vis a vis qihai and the former will show better relief of back related stiffness. QIhai will be useless and as it may aggravate the problem! I realize this is a round about explanation but it is the best way to explain while retaining the contextual points of CCM and anatomy and physiology in my limited fashion.

[wiesiek]

My GF reported pain in the ovary after I put moxa on her Qihai /it was a part of whole described moxa treatment/,
so
during next session we didin`t use it.

[I am...]

Can we just put a notice up with blinking neon lights that says the following?

Dantien in meditation and medicine does not generally equate to Dantien in martial arts. They are about as related as saying "my stomach hurts" in english, and your actual stomach being the sole source of the pain one is experiencing when they say the above.

The meditation Dantiens are points generally or are not very large and serve a specific set of purposes. The Dantien used for creating martial power is not the same area or used in the same way though there can be some overlap.