Wudang Origin of Taijiquan

[wayne hansen]

I see a lack of foundation in the Chen
What you call simplification Bruce lee called economy of motion

[Bao]

Ps Serena you are a breath of fresh air
At last someone saying smart things in an interesting way

Agreed.

I see a lack of foundation in the Chen
What you call simplification Bruce lee called economy of motion

I have thought about the oddity of this. Simplifying is something very Chinese. Even when Chinese speak, they take away unnecessary words, shortening it some time to the point it will be incomprehensible for any outsider who don't know exactly what they are talking about. The language, poetry, traditional art, everything is about density, taking away everything that can be left out. I see Yang style like poetry in motion. So many things are hidden away. But Chen style is crude, obvious. There's not much room for interpretation. Chen style has a very non-Chinese, or a very modern expression. But I guess it has to do with the fact that the development of the art was left in the hands of uneducated peasants, while many Yang and Wu stylists were scholars and painters.

[willie]

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[yeniseri]

the origin is from military fighting techniques and not daoist sages. you should stop and think about what must have really happened

Try a fresh start --> here's another truth, self serving to some or not --> Yang lu-chan promised Chen Chang-Xing he would never teach the Chen's family art. Subsequently certain jings (err, I mean, THINGS) were removed and replaced with others from somewhere else.
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Makes excellent sense! I am guessng that as times changed and the art made relevant, STUFF was added to keep the attention of the greater public. As stated, since Yang went to Beijing first and usurped Chen. when a Chen arrived in Beijing, people did not believe that Chen's version was the real so each skilset brings its own as long as the relevance can be duplicate in one way or another or NOT. If NOT, then other STUFF can be added to make the specific branch more palatable to the public. Each separte style (aka variation) shows different facets of the same art

I have even see BS taijiquan work on different psyche so it isn't all bad...In the Daoist way...all shit is good if you know how to present it....

[Bao]

oh my, I just got back from training. I dare both of you to prove these statements.

Prove that I am wrong.

Chen Fake who popularized Chen style was illiterate. His father was in his 60s when he was born and was always working as an escort. He was taught by villagers who had no education them either. You can easily search, read and if you can find out something else, tell me that I am wrong.

The Yang family and the students of Yang Luchan probably both preserved and developed the Chen tradition better than the peasants in the village.

[willie]

oh my, I just got back from training. I dare both of you to prove these statements.

Prove that I am wrong.

Chen Fake who popularized Chen style was illiterate. His father was in his 60s when he was born and was always working as an escort. He was taught by villagers who had no education them either. You can easily search, read and if you can find out something else, tell me that I am wrong.

The Yang family and the students of Yang Luchan probably both preserved and developed the Chen tradition better than the peasants in the village.

your not wrong about them being farmers. they were.
what you are wrong about is assuming that you will win. you do yourself a favor and forget what you think you know...

[Bao]

your not wrong about them being farmers. they were.

what you are wrong about is assuming that you will win. you do yourself a favor and forget what you think you know...

I don't assume anything. People believe that the Chen style as it looks and is performed today is the original Tai Chi. I am not here to change anyone's religion, I am merely offering a different view. People are mostly too sensative and insecure to listen to different views. The Chen version of history is sacred. I don't believe in this kind of religion. If you never challenge your own beliefs you will never become truly secure with your own knowledge.

[willie]

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[Bao]

I am not saying that you are insecure Willie, I wrote in general. No, I wouldn't use that word on you.

[Ron Panunto]

Yang simplified the art to make it easier to learn, But in doing so, left out an entire array of undisclosed universal concepts.
I believe that in order to fill this void, alternative theories replaced the unspoken universal laws.

The Yangs likely taught an empty version of their art to the guards, who were of a different ethnicity. They kept the concepts in the family art.

Do you really think that this would have been possible? The palace guards were already master level martial artists; why would the wealthy hire them if they weren't. It seems to me that if the Yang's claimed their style was better than all others, then they would have to prove that to their employer and all of the palace guards on a daily basis. I'm sure that if the Yang's taught "empty" taiji to the guards it would soon be discovered and they would have been kicked out on their behinds, if not executed.

[willie]

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[Taste of Death]

Yang simplified the art to make it easier to learn, But in doing so, left out an entire array of undisclosed universal concepts.
I believe that in order to fill this void, alternative theories replaced the unspoken universal laws.

The Yangs likely taught an empty version of their art to the guards, who were of a different ethnicity. They kept the concepts in the family art.

Do you really think that this would have been possible? The palace guards were already master level martial artists; why would the wealthy hire them if they weren't. It seems to me that if the Yang's claimed their style was better than all others, then they would have to prove that to their employer and all of the palace guards on a daily basis. I'm sure that if the Yang's taught "empty" taiji to the guards it would soon be discovered and they would have been kicked out on their behinds, if not executed.

Whether internal or external the form looks the same. How would the guards know the difference? Touch hands with most taiji guys and they are external. And that includes most of the so-called masters. No matter how hard they train the secrets never reveal themselves and that is because they were never taught them.

[willie]

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[willie]

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[wayne hansen]

I know u don't see willie because I seen your videos