From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby Ron Panunto on Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:58 am

Thanks Rick, I studied CMC taiji in Philly for about 5 years with several of his students and students of theirs, so I might just buy a copy.
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby RickMatz on Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:34 pm

Ron Panunto wrote:Thanks Rick, I studied CMC taiji in Philly for about 5 years with several of his students and students of theirs, so I might just buy a copy.


I originally learned the CMC form from one of his students who happens to appear in the video, Carol Yamasaki.
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby yeniseri on Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:32 am

The socio-cultural background is an excellent indicator of normative MA history of the day but we see that Zheng Manqing was a bridge from the past who excellent within the milieu of present (then) changes while re-enginneering future tai chi concepts to fit his view and orientation. This is not necessarily bad but lest we forget, taijiquan was still new to the masses and the changes from martial to leisure or hobby status surely affected its presence today.
A great read, nonetheless.
p.s. Stuff like this I share with my small group of enthiusiasts for a historical view of CMA with appropriate reference as a way for research and accountability. I am afraid of this qi hugging mentality so I try harder to present 'factual and researchable context.
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby wayne hansen on Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:40 am

You must remember cmc only taught hippie tai chi to hippies
His teachings in Taiwan and Malaysia were quite different
Don't put power into the form let it naturally arise from the form
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby taiwandeutscher on Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:10 pm

wayne hansen wrote:You must remember cmc only taught hippie tai chi to hippies
His teachings in Taiwan and Malaysia were quite different


+100
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby Rhen on Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:56 am

wayne hansen wrote:You must remember cmc only taught hippie tai chi to hippies
His teachings in Taiwan and Malaysia were quite different


Love this quote.

I'd like to hear some more about the difference of what Taiwan and Malaysia people were doing in comparison to the hippies.
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby willie on Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:55 pm

taiwandeutscher wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:You must remember cmc only taught hippie tai chi to hippies
His teachings in Taiwan and Malaysia were quite different


+100


You mean -100 right?
What the hell is this shit? I say shit because that is what it is, shit.
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby willie on Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:57 pm

wayne hansen wrote:You must remember cmc only taught hippie tai chi to hippies
His teachings in Taiwan and Malaysia were quite different


What the hell is this Wayne?
I happen to know an instructor under ant'e...
Who say's?
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:07 pm

There were some who were martial artists hard men like Alan Ginsberg
If you look at the bulk of his u s students they were hippies
Those who wernt Stan Israel ,Herman Kraus and the like were already proficient martial artists and I am sure they didn't come to Chen for his martial ability
Just look at the pushing and the impractical sword stuff they are doing
Don't tell me that stuff would have worked against a half decent fencer
In Taiwan they were preparing for the Chinese invasion and all going thru national service
It was the communist uprising in Malaysia and Chinese were lucky if they made it to training and back so practical application was a necessity
Even when my teacher was training there in the early 70's Malay practitioners of Silat and muAy Thai should drop by to test out the tai chi people
I may be wrong but that's how I see it
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby willie on Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:24 pm

wayne hansen wrote: In Taiwan they were preparing for the Chinese invasion and all going thru national service



O.K. So your saying that it was special military purpose?
Robert Ant'e was one of the main guys in CMC lineage. He is very old but still alive.
I have a buddy who's been training with him for a very long time, he comes over my house to push often.

Thanks
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:18 pm

Sorry never heard of him
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby taiwandeutscher on Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:13 am

Me, neither.
But I have trained with several of ZMQ's Taiwan indoors, and they all had gongfu, in one way or another, some even did the long pole stuff!They had much more to offer than some of his western desciples (and their adepts)!
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby willie on Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:58 am

wayne hansen wrote:Sorry never heard of him


from Wiki.
"American students include Frank Wong, Michael and Lora Howard, Herman Kauz, Patt Benton, Lucjan Shila, Carol Yamasaki, Robert Ante, "
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby RickMatz on Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:13 am

willie wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:Sorry never heard of him


from Wiki.
"American students include Frank Wong, Michael and Lora Howard, Herman Kauz, Patt Benton, Lucjan Shila, Carol Yamasaki, Robert Ante, "


Lists of people in the CMC lineage.
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Re: From Kung Fu Tea regarding documentary on CMC

Postby taiwandeutscher on Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:50 pm

RickMatz wrote:
willie wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:Sorry never heard of him


from Wiki.
"American students include Frank Wong, Michael and Lora Howard, Herman Kauz, Patt Benton, Lucjan Shila, Carol Yamasaki, Robert Ante, "


Lists of people in the CMC lineage.



Very un-complete!
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