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Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:46 pm
by Wanderingdragon
Lots of words not necessary, a white horse is a white horse when you know what is white. Open close is internal method not brute.

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:39 am
by Yeung
Wanderingdragon wrote:Lots of words not necessary, a white horse is a white horse when you know what is white. Open close is internal method not brute.


Not all white horses are stallions. Open or separation, and close can be interpreted from the Taijiquan Classics of move or active then separate, and quietness then close. The question is how open close is relevant to LHBF or originated from LHBF?

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:29 am
by Drake
Yeung wrote:Not all white horses are stallions. Open or separation, and close can be interpreted from the Taijiquan Classics of move or active then separate, and quietness then close. The question is how open close is relevant to LHBF or originated from LHBF?


Originated with LHBF? No. That portion of T.I.C.M.A. was present long before the creation of LHBF, and certainly not exclusive to the internals. In LHBF it's certainly an important part of the essential mechanics that are part of the style. "One thing moves, everything moves. One thing stops, everything stops". Without closing how can there be opening? Without contraction how can there be expansion? It's a natural part of breath, and basic movement. Connectivity is the key. The understanding that everything is connected in the human body, and what's the most efficient manner of movement.

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:58 am
by Wanderingdragon
All Stallions are horses, it is white you must understand to recognize a white horse.

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:14 pm
by Yeung
Wanderingdragon wrote:All Stallions are horses, it is white you must understand to recognize a white horse.

Do you know how many shades of white?

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:46 pm
by Wanderingdragon
What is white?

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:41 am
by Yeung
Wanderingdragon wrote:What is white?


Variations of white (off-white colours):

Ghost white, white smoke, baby powder, snow, ivory, floral white, seashell, corn silk, old lace, cream, beige, linen, antique white, champagne, eggshell, Dutch white, bone, vanilla, flax, Navajo white, Ecru.

White:
Hex triplet #FFFFFF
RGB 255, 255, 255
CMYK 0,0,0,0

I do not think anyone will recognize it visually.

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:09 am
by Yeung
Drake wrote: "One thing moves, everything moves. One thing stops, everything stops". Without closing how can there be opening? Without contraction how can there be expansion? It's a natural part of breath, and basic movement. Connectivity is the key. The understanding that everything is connected in the human body, and what's the most efficient manner of movement.


Springiness is the key to continuity, when muscle stretch to its maximal it will bounce back without stopping.

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:17 am
by Drake
Yeung wrote:
Drake wrote: "One thing moves, everything moves. One thing stops, everything stops". Without closing how can there be opening? Without contraction how can there be expansion? It's a natural part of breath, and basic movement. Connectivity is the key. The understanding that everything is connected in the human body, and what's the most efficient manner of movement.


Springiness is the key to continuity, when muscle stretch to its maximal it will bounce back without stopping.



No, Yeung, relaxation ((i think)) is the descriptive you're looking for. There is "loose", "tight", "springy", "tense", etc..... None of them are relaxed. None of them make full use of sensitivity, or are even aware, or have the ability to change immediately. Again, though, it goes back to my original statement. Everything is connected in the human body.

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:17 am
by Wanderingdragon
[quote="Yeung"][quote="Wanderingdragon"]What is white?[/quote]

Variations of white (off-white colours):

Ghost white, white smoke, baby powder, snow, ivory, floral white, seashell, corn silk, old lace, cream, beige, linen, antique white, champagne, eggshell, Dutch white, bone, vanilla, flax, Navajo white, Ecru.

White:
Hex triplet #FFFFFF
RGB 255, 255, 255
CMYK 0,0,0,0

I do not think anyone will recognize it visually.[/quote]


Ah, I see, then it is not a horse

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:44 am
by Yeung
A white horse is not any horse.

Congenital movement is not any movement.

And relaxation from brute force is not the same as relaxation from congenital force.

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:26 am
by Wanderingdragon
Thanks, so any horse can be white ?

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:06 pm
by Drake
The ability, for want of a better term, is to "go" from "1" to "10", and return to "1" in a nanosecond. In order for that to happen relaxation must be attained, and maintained.

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:33 am
by Wanderingdragon
Sounds springy to me :D wonder if it's congenital ::) or is it just the ability to control the inherent brute within us all 8-)

Re: LHPF - training methodology?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:43 am
by Yeung
The more one relax the more intensity one can achieve in stretching.