More Efficiencer and Effectiver

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More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:11 am

recently i seem to get told about these 2 words very often

so i need to do a quick poll about all this hurry:
does anyone here have a death match dateline they have to meet?
of which you would very much like to see your opponent die in your hand in a very bloody and totally merciless manner?

to set the record straight:
if you can take all the necessary steps to make/create/train something, whose results are repeatable and reliable, in a
shorter time; this is efficient and effective.

if you tell me you cut away important parts, the you produce something that works sometimes, but most times when tested
it goes to shit; then this is not efficient or effective. of course not!
now let me tell you what this is: its called cutting corners

any o you heard xylh or xingyi Lei Sheng, real life, first hand, in person?
why i mention?
this one come from inside
cannot do some shaky, wriggly movement thingy hoping to show ppl how deep your skill is

like i said, cutting corners
get your friggin definition right
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby RobP2 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:28 am

Dateline? Well yes, probably another 25 years so if I'm lucky

It's quite simple. If you have a large brick wall to paint white, do you use a 00 gauge brush, a large paintbrush or roller, or a spray can / airbrush

If someone tells you you have to paint with the tiny gauge brush, because that;s the way it's always been, because you need to keep buying the brushes from them, because it will develop your character although you will never finish the job, because...just do as your told, etc, etc then what would you do?

Meanwhile another guy has got his wall finished to a high standard and is now working on his fence. So do you ask him how he did the job, or do you tell him he doesn't really know how to paint, his big brush is just a big clumsy thing compared to your tiny one, he doesn't understand anything about painting, once your wall is finished - in 20 years time - it will look as good as his...maybe...

It's not about cutting corners, it's about knowing what you need to achieve and having the best methods and tools for achieving it. Common sense. When you go shopping do you walk, take a bus or drive? Why?
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:31 am

my mang
i ask simple question, if you would be so kind, please answer yes or no
do you need to kill someone at a prescribed and agreed date?

to be very frank
i am not going to read long posts by you
i need to be efficient
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby RobP2 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:35 am

Simple answer - no, not prescribed, other than that I don't know but I hope not

I do like to keep myself healthy through good practices though

Now you are just being petulant
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:39 am

if not it is very good!
you are a person that can take time and enjoy training by daoist non-action!
you WILL have time to stand zz
sometimes you have intention, sometimes you have not, sometimes you are light, sometimes you are heavy, at times you float, at times you sink
now you are being the most efficient because the fighting idea goes deep into the brain and body very fast in this manner
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby Dmitri on Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:38 am

"fighting idea" is a very different thing from "fighting ability"
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby kenneth fish on Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:18 am

There should be severe penalties for the intentional and cruel abuse of the English language.
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:50 am

recently on this board, i had an exchange with a guy
he do 10 years xylh, but he don't know what intention is
so i think i start at the very very beginning.
first in the mind, then in the body.

hopefully less severe than abuse, er no, complete upside down buggerization of ima
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby GrahamB on Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:20 am

Strange, I can't understand your English.
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby Taste of Death on Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:38 am

GrahamB wrote:Strange, I can't understand your English.


I understand him perfectly.
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby windwalker on Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:27 pm

Taste of Death wrote:
GrahamB wrote:Strange, I can't understand your English.


I understand him perfectly.


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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby dspyrido on Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:50 pm

Strange wrote:recently on this board, i had an exchange with a guy
he do 10 years xylh, but he don't know what intention is
so i think i start at the very very beginning.
first in the mind, then in the body.

hopefully less severe than abuse, er no, complete upside down buggerization of ima


Lemme guess... ima the guy you exxhanaga. :-[ (like my smiley?)

You dont have clue what I know. It is absolutely ignorant for anyone here to think they know how capable anyone else is here without physically meeting up with them. I thoroughly endorse us all meeting up. It would be the perfect way to exchange & level set.

But I will tell you one really really simple response to your idiotic attempt at being wise in your mangled question...

You never ever know when you will need to save your life and those around you. You must never have had this happen to ask such an idiotic question in the context of combat arts which would make you one of the last people I would listen to on the topic of self preservation.

So let me ask you...

When the need to defend yourself and others comes up will you wish you had trained for combat in a way that is efficient & effective or not?


You can hurry answer your response but I am not in a rush to read it. These days I've decided there are better places to put my attention & prefer to exchange ideas meeting people face to face.
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby MaartenSFS on Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:52 pm

Whether or not he's coherent is another matter... :P
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby Taste of Death on Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:00 pm

dspyrido wrote:
Strange wrote:recently on this board, i had an exchange with a guy
he do 10 years xylh, but he don't know what intention is
so i think i start at the very very beginning.
first in the mind, then in the body.

hopefully less severe than abuse, er no, complete upside down buggerization of ima


Lemme guess... ima the guy you exxhanaga. :-[ (like my smiley?)

You dont have clue what I know. It is absolutely ignorant for anyone here to think they know how capable anyone else is here without physically meeting up with them. I thoroughly endorse us all meeting up. It would be the perfect way to exchange & level set.

But I will tell you one really really simple response to your idiotic attempt at being wise in your mangled question...

You never ever know when you will need to save your life and those around you. You must never have had this happen to ask such an idiotic question in the context of combat arts which would make you one of the last people I would listen to on the topic of self preservation.

So let me ask you...

When the need to defend yourself and others comes up will you wish you had trained for combat in a way that is efficient & effective or not?


You can hurry answer your response but I am not in a rush to read it. These days I've decided there are better places to put my attention & prefer to exchange ideas meeting people face to face.


Strange is just having some fun.

Your disagreement began in another post where cloudz also pointed out your misunderstanding of intention as it relates to cima. So maybe Strange is not so strange after all.
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Re: More Efficiencer and Effectiver

Postby Strange on Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:44 pm

GrahamB wrote:Strange, I can't understand your English.


GB, appreciate the feedback. I think that my english is nothing short of excellent.
which part do you not understand? or was it all of it?

while i'm at it, i actually like to think i talk in a clear and direct manner
while i understand that may offend some ppl, it is better for accuracy.
not understanding something is perfectly ok
but to say that it is useless is another matter altogether
depending on how it is said, it may come across as cima is nothing but a great con job
the chinese and their kungfu no need to con anyone
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