Rhen wrote:The only opinion I'll take fascia advice from is a doctor (maybe Dr. Fish can educate us) or someone with a high level degree in something medical or physical therapy related, not a pseudo science martial artist who doesn't have a degree in anything medical.
The only opinion I'll take fascia advice from is a doctor (maybe Dr. Fish can educate us) or someone with a high level degree in something medical or physical therapy related, not a pseudo science martial artist who doesn't have a degree in anything medical.
middleway wrote:WindWalker. Thanks. That blog will be getting shut down soon as I am moving my focus away from the internal arts and the ipt name in that formate
Thanks
So how long do I have to read the entirety of it before losing access forever?
jaime_g wrote:[Rhen wrote:The only opinion I'll take fascia advice from is a doctor (maybe Dr. Fish can educate us) or someone with a high level degree in something medical or physical therapy related, not a pseudo science martial artist who doesn't have a degree in anything medical.
Many doctors, personal trainers, and physical therapists cant say anything useful for an internal martial artist.
Middleway's approach is excellent and I'd take his opinion on fascia development over many many guys.
No worries and apology if I came across cynical. probably because of the fascia mis-information going on in the martial arts community. I'm suspect of this elastic force from years as a massage therapist and martial artist.
Rhen wrote:The only opinion I'll take fascia advice from is a doctor (maybe Dr. Fish can educate us) or someone with a high level degree in something medical or physical therapy related, not a pseudo science martial artist who doesn't have a degree in anything medical.
Tom wrote:everything wrote:Was writing this in response to someone's knee pain thread but it makes a lot of sense from an IMA pov of "train your tendons" and "power in your tendons not your muscles":some general notes from Tim Ferriss podcast w Coach Sommer (USA mens gymnastics national coach in the past; has produced elite athletes) that probably apply to your case:
- it takes 260 some days for soft tissues like ligaments and tendons to heal.
- you should NOT be doing much exercise in the meantime.
- you need to train these tissues BEFORE ever adding resistance and muscle exercise (if you get strong in a way that is imbalanced or stresses these connective tissues, you are just making your condition worse).
- you actually need to (when you are ready) put some of these tissues in slightly bad alignment in a gentle, progressive way to condition them (such as those knee rotations some people do not like) since that is going to happen in your chosen sport (although the ph and bjj went too far). if you only ever keep "neutral spine" you really don't condition the connective tissues.
The progression of all this is incredibly slow. heal with rest for a long time. start adding in very light plyometrics. do not do "strength" training for muscle belly before your joints are in good condition. probably cannot do ph or bjj for a long time. Pretty much that sounds JUST LIKE the typical traditional IMA method of conditioning doesn't it?! It's not a f**** con, it turns out. It makes sense. According to Coach Sommer that's how you build up international level gymnasts over a very long period.
This is really interesting and comports well with my own personal experience healing from ligament and tendon injuries.
I just had the opportunity for the first time in several years to train with a friend who is very skilled with baguazhang and who emphasizes the centrality of tendon training in the way all of the baguazhang movements and postures are practiced, including exercising appropriate care and timing after any injury. His body attests to the truth of the Ferris/Sommer material above.
Fa Xing wrote:Rhen wrote:The only opinion I'll take fascia advice from is a doctor (maybe Dr. Fish can educate us) or someone with a high level degree in something medical or physical therapy related, not a pseudo science martial artist who doesn't have a degree in anything medical.
Perhaps you missed my post, and credentials, but what do I know.
everything wrote:Fa Xing wrote:Rhen wrote:The only opinion I'll take fascia advice from is a doctor (maybe Dr. Fish can educate us) or someone with a high level degree in something medical or physical therapy related, not a pseudo science martial artist who doesn't have a degree in anything medical.
Perhaps you missed my post, and credentials, but what do I know.
Fa Xing - just read your credentials. Normally I don't do that LOL.
Could you comment a little on tendon training using powerlifting technique in "partials"? I assume one would do that AFTER having a very good base in everything else. Side note: I do not want any extra muscle mass (cannot really gain it anyway) as I mostly need to be agile and light with a small amount of power (playing soccer). Once I rehab I am mainly interested in agility/bursts of acceleration and deceleration. Thanks.
everything wrote:At the extreme opposite end of the spectrum, powerlifting technique as borrowed from bodybuilders seems to emphasize very heavy weight at partial ROM. Maybe someone could go into that a little.
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