GrahamB wrote:You're flying in the face of 100 years of "chi belly" masters there mate.... good luck!
Ultimate key..? its key alright if you're fighting , but for street self defense...not sure its the ultimate key.
Top athlete's conditioning means little after getting poked in the eyes or kicked in the balls...common to see top shape mma fighters,muay thai, silat, all sots of martial artist get stopped with an eye gouge or a swift kick in the balls.
my old teacher could gouge your eye out as soon as you twitched a muscle.
Conner Mcgregor said it best , accuracy and timing beats speed and power.
The soft can overcome the hard..
as they say...
Timing is Everything!
“Almost to the point where I am becoming convinced that this is the edge that top fighters have. Obviously skills are skills but without fitness then forget about it.”
Patrick wrote:There is no confusion. Motor fitness (as health factors) is specifically defined and can be measured.
Cardio vascular system: VO2max
Endurance: lactat steady state
Strength: Fmax
Explosive power: ΔF
Flexibility: ranges of motion
etc.
middleway wrote:Ultimate key..? its key alright if you're fighting , but for street self defense...not sure its the ultimate key.
Top athlete's conditioning means little after getting poked in the eyes or kicked in the balls...common to see top shape mma fighters,muay thai, silat, all sots of martial artist get stopped with an eye gouge or a swift kick in the balls.
my old teacher could gouge your eye out as soon as you twitched a muscle.
Conner Mcgregor said it best , accuracy and timing beats speed and power.
The soft can overcome the hard..
as they say...
Timing is Everything!
Taijispirit. some assumptions going on there. I actually have a large amount of experience with 'street' work from working on the doors for a long time, both the violence on the job and the resulting vendettas that come from that line of work. All of the best and most capable guys kept themselves in relatively good shape in that non sportive environment. I am not talking Ripped athlete, but they all lifted heavy things regularly and worked on their general strength and conditioning to a moderately good level.
The reasons for NOT focusing on your general fitness and conditioning truly pale in comparison to the benefits of doing so in my opinion.
Taijispirit wrote:
Addressing the question about fitness being the ulimate key.. not, "is being in condition better than not being in condition?", that's obvious and a no brainer.
No one is suggesting reasons for not focusing on general fitness........obviously being in shape is better than not being..but is it the Ultimate key ?, age, skill and maturity factors in a lot..
WIll a 80 year old internal master compare equally to the fitness levels of a 25 -30 yr. old, probably not, but the "master" could handle a strong conditioned 25-30 yr. old easily.
I take wisdom "skill" & strategy over strength and conditioning.
still the question was...Is fitness the "ultimate key "?
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