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Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby grzegorz on Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:03 pm

I got some interesting things to think about on the fitness thread even with people I may not agree with.

Now my question is what are your favorite heavy bag combinations? Internal or external I believe the heavy bag is important for conditioning the hands for the abuse that may come in an actual fight. Aside from that I just love hitting the heavy bag for releasing agressions in a society where we seem to want to hide or deny all agressive tendencies.

But more than that I think of it as sharpening the blade and is something everyone should do and as martial artists something we must do.
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby Fa Xing on Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:18 pm

Here are some combos I work on the bag. These are just hand ones, I have more. I kept them in the lingo I use for my personal training so you need me to show you to decipher but you get the general idea. I'll do these bare-hand typically, I have similar combos that I use when training San Da.

1. Pi Quan
2. Lead Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan
3. Rear Pi Quan to Lead Pi Quan
4. Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan
5. right Zuan Quan to right side Pi Quan
6. Lead Pi Quan to right Whipping Palm
7. right Backhand Pi Quan to Lead Pi Quan
8. right Backhand Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan
9. right Backhand Pi Quan to left Beng Quan
10. right Backhand Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to Lead Pi Quan
11. Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan
12. right side Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan
13. Lead Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan
14. Lead Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right Zuan Quan to left Ma Xing Quan
15. Lead Pi Quan to left Ma Xing Quan to right Zuan Quan to spinning Backhand Pi Quan
16. right Beng Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan
17. Double Backhand Pi Quan
18. High Backhand Pi Quan - Low Backhand Pi Quan
19. Lead Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan
20. Lead Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to left Ma Xing Quan
21. Lead Pi Quan to left Beng Quan to right Ma Xing Quan
22. Lead Pi Quan to left Ma Xing Quan
23. Lead Pi Quan to left Beng Quan
24. right Sparrowhawk Punch to right side Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan
25. Lead Pi Quan to left side Pi Quan to right Ma Xing Quan
26. Lead Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right Ma Xing Quan
27. Lead Pi Quan to left Beng Quan to right side Pi Quan
28. Lead Pi Quan to left Beng Quan to left Ma Xing Quan
29. left Beng Quan to right Beng Quan to left side Pi Quan
30. Lead Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to left Beng Quan
31. right Sparrowhawk Punch to Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to left Xiong Xing Quan
32. Lead Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to left side Pi Quan to right Zuan Quan
33. Double Lead Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to left Ma Xing Quan
34. right Sparrowhawk Punch to right side Pi Quan to left Beng Quan to right Ma Xing Quan
35. Lead Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right Zuan Quan
36. Lead Pi Quan to Double Crashing Palm to right side Pi Quan to left Beng Quan
37. right Sparrowhawk Punch to right side Pi Quan to right Sparrowhawk Punch to left Xiong Xing Quan
38. Left Lead Pi Quan, low Right Beng Quan, switch feet with left Xiong Xing Quan, Lead Pi Quan
39. right Zuan Quan, right side Pi Quan, rear Pi Quan
40. left Xiong Xing Quan, right Zuan Quan, left Ma Xing Quan
41. right Zuan Quan, left Xiong Xing Quan, right Ma Xing Quan
42. Sparrowhawk Punch, left Ma Xing Quan
43. Lead Pi Quan, rear spear elbow, right elbow
44. Lead Pi Quan, spear elbow, left elbow
45. Beng Quan Blast
46. Ma Xing Quan Blast
47. Sparrowhawk Punch, spinning elbow
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby willie on Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:27 pm

grzegorz wrote:I got some interesting things to think about on the fitness thread even with people I may not agree with.

Now my question is what are your favorite heavy bag combinations? Internal or external I believe the heavy bag is important for conditioning the hands for the abuse that may come in an actual fight. Aside from that I just love hitting the heavy bag for releasing agressions in a society where we seem to want to hide or deny all agressive tendencies.

But more than that I think of it as sharpening the blade and is something everyone should do and as martial artists something we must do.


Bahaharaha. i might take you more seriously if you took down that stupid anti-trump icon.
For now I think that i must just put you in the same category as the others.
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby grzegorz on Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:56 pm

Go troll somewhere else.
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby grzegorz on Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:58 pm

Fa Xing wrote:Here are some combos I work on the bag. These are just hand ones, I have more. I kept them in the lingo I use for my personal training so you need me to show you to decipher but you get the general idea. I'll do these bare-hand typically, I have similar combos that I use when training San Da.

1. Pi Quan
2. Lead Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan
3. Rear Pi Quan to Lead Pi Quan
4. Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan
5. right Zuan Quan to right side Pi Quan
6. Lead Pi Quan to right Whipping Palm
7. right Backhand Pi Quan to Lead Pi Quan
8. right Backhand Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan
9. right Backhand Pi Quan to left Beng Quan
10. right Backhand Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to Lead Pi Quan
11. Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan
12. right side Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan
13. Lead Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan
14. Lead Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right Zuan Quan to left Ma Xing Quan
15. Lead Pi Quan to left Ma Xing Quan to right Zuan Quan to spinning Backhand Pi Quan
16. right Beng Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan
17. Double Backhand Pi Quan
18. High Backhand Pi Quan - Low Backhand Pi Quan
19. Lead Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan
20. Lead Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to left Ma Xing Quan
21. Lead Pi Quan to left Beng Quan to right Ma Xing Quan
22. Lead Pi Quan to left Ma Xing Quan
23. Lead Pi Quan to left Beng Quan
24. right Sparrowhawk Punch to right side Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan
25. Lead Pi Quan to left side Pi Quan to right Ma Xing Quan
26. Lead Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right Ma Xing Quan
27. Lead Pi Quan to left Beng Quan to right side Pi Quan
28. Lead Pi Quan to left Beng Quan to left Ma Xing Quan
29. left Beng Quan to right Beng Quan to left side Pi Quan
30. Lead Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to left Beng Quan
31. right Sparrowhawk Punch to Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to left Xiong Xing Quan
32. Lead Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to left side Pi Quan to right Zuan Quan
33. Double Lead Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to left Ma Xing Quan
34. right Sparrowhawk Punch to right side Pi Quan to left Beng Quan to right Ma Xing Quan
35. Lead Pi Quan to right side Pi Quan to Rear Pi Quan to right Zuan Quan
36. Lead Pi Quan to Double Crashing Palm to right side Pi Quan to left Beng Quan
37. right Sparrowhawk Punch to right side Pi Quan to right Sparrowhawk Punch to left Xiong Xing Quan
38. Left Lead Pi Quan, low Right Beng Quan, switch feet with left Xiong Xing Quan, Lead Pi Quan
39. right Zuan Quan, right side Pi Quan, rear Pi Quan
40. left Xiong Xing Quan, right Zuan Quan, left Ma Xing Quan
41. right Zuan Quan, left Xiong Xing Quan, right Ma Xing Quan
42. Sparrowhawk Punch, left Ma Xing Quan
43. Lead Pi Quan, rear spear elbow, right elbow
44. Lead Pi Quan, spear elbow, left elbow
45. Beng Quan Blast
46. Ma Xing Quan Blast
47. Sparrowhawk Punch, spinning elbow


Thanks, this is more of what I was looking for.

I like the idea of mixing it up between speed and power or blast.
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby grzegorz on Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:31 pm

Some may enjoy this...

https://youtu.be/FZkEgqzn2os
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby johnwang on Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:40 pm

Those are the combos that I like to train.

- jab, cross.
- left hay-maker, right hay-maker.
- strike 3 stars.
- front kick, face punch.
- side kick, spin back fist to the head.
- side kick, palm edge to the neck.
- side kick, back kick, roundhouse kick.
- ...
I'm still allergy to "push".
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby C.J.W. on Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:43 pm

A heavy bag can be a useful training apparatus, but I believe what you do with it and how it's used will achieve very different goals and results.

If all you do is whack the heck out of it like an average boxer or a kickboxer and try to apply that same primal aggression in fighting, then IMO, it has little to do with CMA and runs counter to its principles. With IMA in particular, many of the things we practice are the opposite of what others typically do and expect.

For instance, I personally prefer letting the bag hit ME instead of me hitting it. ;)
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby willie on Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:12 pm

grzegorz wrote:Go troll somewhere else.


Actually, I'm not trolling, I'm serious.
If you want to look like an immature person waving an anti-american sign, do you have to do it on a martial art thread?
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby klonk on Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:05 pm

This is something that works well for me:

Boxing one-two
Reset your weight on the rear foot by thrusting downward with the rear heel. (I stole that from xingyi.)
Another boxing one-two

Using the weight shifting trick allows you to keep up a barrage of several one-twos in succession. The conventional way is to reset your stance with a left hook or a step but this is a shade quicker and also a trifle devious--and I like devious.
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:54 am

klonk wrote:This is something that works well for me:

Boxing one-two
Reset your weight on the rear foot by thrusting downward with the rear heel. (I stole that from xingyi.)
Another boxing one-two

Using the weight shifting trick allows you to keep up a barrage of several one-twos in succession. The conventional way is to reset your stance with a left hook or a step but this is a shade quicker and also a trifle devious--and I like devious.


Very interesting, thanks.

I work on my weight shifting but haven't really focussed on that on the bag.
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby Greg J on Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:39 am

grzegorz wrote:Some may enjoy this...

https://youtu.be/FZkEgqzn2os


Nice video! Those are some savage jabs. I feel like I could take each of those rounds and dedicate a workout to it.

Personally I love working the bag. Generally speaking, no matter what I am working on, I try to follow a more-or-less tabata protocol when I am doing bag work: 20 seconds moving and hitting, 10 seconds circling & resting. Here are my three go-to heavy bag workouts:

Workout #1: Ten 3-min rounds (1 minute rest between rounds)

Round 1: Light punching (warm up round)
Rounds 2 - 4: Punches, elbows, slaps, forearm smashes, clinch, simulated hip toss.
Rounds 5 - 7: All of the above plus knees & kicks
Rounds 8 - 9: all of the above, plus headbutts
Round 10: Light punching (cool down)

Workout #2: Three 10-min rounds (5 min rest between rounds)
Round 1: High volume punching, kicking, elbows, slaps
Round 2: High power punching, kicking, elbows, slaps
Round 3: High volume & high power punching, kicking, elbows & slaps

Workout #3: Martin Rooney Heavy Bag Circuit. Five five-minute rounds (2 minute rest between rounds, 10-15 secs to transition)
Each round is one minute of the following:
1 minute punches
1 minute sprawls
1 minute knees
1 minute knee-on-chest bag drill
1 minute kicks

I agree with you, Gregorz, I find the bag is a great training tool and a very healthy outlet. I also like hitting a tire with a stick, but that's another story for another thread. ;)

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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:29 am

C.J.W. wrote:A heavy bag can be a useful training apparatus, but I believe what you do with it and how it's used will achieve very different goals and results.

If all you do is whack the heck out of it like an average boxer or a kickboxer and try to apply that same primal aggression in fighting, then IMO, it has little to do with CMA and runs counter to its principles. With IMA in particular, many of the things we practice are the opposite of what others typically do and expect.

For instance, I personally prefer letting the bag hit ME instead of me hitting it. ;)


Interesting perspective. I originally came from an IMA school that has same angle that you have but I have pretty much moved on, whether it is IMA or not I am not really concerned any more because the definition of what is IMA is so broad (especially in China) that I don't accept that there is only one definition or one authority who an define IMA.

I can remember asking an IMA instructor who did not believe in attacking what he would do if an intruder were in his house in the middle of the night and he said "nothing" which sounds great but I don't believe it. If I am of sound mind myself I would not be fighting in the first place, fighting is a last restort but the fact is live in voilent societies.

So back to the topic. There are a number of ways to hit a heavy bag, I don't think of hitting it as much as releasing into it. In some ways I found the systema videos more useful for explaining different ways of hitting the bag.

As far as emotion I find releasing anger into a bag is the best therapy ever for functioning in a civil society.

We may not agree but we no one said had to.

I will dig up some of those videos for anyone interested.
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:48 am

A short brief one with a dude who looks like me, which is why I am sharing it.



And Val's ballistic striking.



I am sure there are CMA people doing sort of thing but I am not so sure it is being taught to the general public and on a heavy bag.
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Re: Favorite Heavy Bag Combinations

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:47 am

johnwang wrote:Those are the combos that I like to train.

- jab, cross.
- left hay-maker, right hay-maker.
- strike 3 stars.
- front kick, face punch.
- side kick, spin back fist to the head.
- side kick, palm edge to the neck.
- side kick, back kick, roundhouse kick.
- ...


Hi Sifu Wang,

Back in Taiwan was the heavy bag commonly used?

Or were other things used?
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