johnwang wrote:- A soldier will clean his riffle daily so he can use it in battle.
- A CMA guy will tough his hands daily so he can use it in fighting.
Can you knock your opponent out with 1 punch? How will you know if you don't test it daily?
Taste of Death wrote:johnwang wrote:- A soldier will clean his riffle daily so he can use it in battle.
- A CMA guy will tough his hands daily so he can use it in fighting.
Can you knock your opponent out with 1 punch? How will you know if you don't test it daily?
I do knuckle pushups on a wooden floor or concrete and hit walls with my fists.
Taste of Death wrote:Practicing cima on one's own is only a small part of the equation although for most of us it is most of our training time. The human body is mostly water and in cima is effected on a cellular level, something that is impossible to replicate on a heavy bag. The heavy bag is almost worthless from a cima perspective.
Taste of Death wrote:If you have to add an external practice, which is what heavy bag work is, you are clueless about your cima practice. He thought his yiquan was 1-2 and by adding boxing brought it to 1-2-3. You can ask John Wang. 1 is better than 1-2 and 1-2 is better than 1-2-3.
Taste of Death wrote:I do knuckle pushups on a wooden floor or concrete and hit walls with my fists.
marvin8 wrote:Taste of Death wrote:Practicing cima on one's own is only a small part of the equation although for most of us it is most of our training time. The human body is mostly water and in cima is effected on a cellular level, something that is impossible to replicate on a heavy bag. The heavy bag is almost worthless from a cima perspective.Taste of Death wrote:If you have to add an external practice, which is what heavy bag work is, you are clueless about your cima practice. He thought his yiquan was 1-2 and by adding boxing brought it to 1-2-3. You can ask John Wang. 1 is better than 1-2 and 1-2 is better than 1-2-3.Taste of Death wrote:I do knuckle pushups on a wooden floor or concrete and hit walls with my fists.
Does hitting walls replicate the human body, which is “mostly water and in cima is effected on a cellular level?”
If it doesn’t replicate the human body, is hitting walls “almost worthless from a cima perspective?”
Is hitting walls considered CIMA or external practice? If it is external, why do you "have to add an external practice" to your "cima practice?"
liokault wrote:This is a stupid conversation.
No one has hands tough enough to punch a head safely at full power, it is at best a lottery of getting the angles correct and the other guy not moving his head at the wrong moment.
I don't think I have met or read anything by anyone who consistently punches people in the head, who hasn't reported regular breaks. Lenny Mcleans springs to mind...airc From his book, his hands were broken after more of less every fight.
On topic.
punching air < bag work >< floor to ceiling ball < pad work.
They all have their place, but a partner who is good on the pads is worth their weight in gold.
marvin8 wrote:When you face the heavy bag as an opponent, you vary your attacks (i.e., not all power punches), while imagining listening (the general English term) to your opponent. Combinations can include offense, defense and movement. . . .
Here’s a video demonstrating setting up your combination, using timing, broken rhythm and defense. You might try incorporating these concepts in your heavy bag combinations . . .
Here the trainer walks towards (forward pressure) Broner. Broner pivots steps around and hits the trainer. After each combination, Broner either pivots or steps out of range to avoid attacks coming back (defensive responsibility). He is mixing defense, timing, and movement in to his combinations . . .
Trevor Jackson is the highest ranking instructor personally trained by Matt Hume. Trevor possess the expertise and attention to detail necessary to be an AMC instructor. He is technically superior in his ability to impart the technical aspects of Matt Hume's AMC Pankration system to practitioners of all ages and abilities. Patient, yet demanding, Trevor makes learning easy and fun while challenging the AMC students to constantly improve their knowledge and skill in all areas.
marvin8 wrote:It's good to think about how an opponent will defend, counter or react to your movement, as you are doing your combinations. Hopefully, this will keep you a step(s) ahead of your opponent:
Taste of Death wrote:liokault wrote:This is a stupid conversation.
No one has hands tough enough to punch a head safely at full power, it is at best a lottery of getting the angles correct and the other guy not moving his head at the wrong moment.
I don't think I have met or read anything by anyone who consistently punches people in the head, who hasn't reported regular breaks. Lenny Mcleans springs to mind...airc From his book, his hands were broken after more of less every fight.
On topic.
punching air < bag work >< floor to ceiling ball < pad work.
They all have their place, but a partner who is good on the pads is worth their weight in gold.
The conversation is about whether practicing cima on a heavy bag is useful. It is useful for many things but cima is not one of them.
Who suggested punching someone in the head? Try the neck out if you want to hit something soft.
Taste of Death wrote:John asked how I toughen my hands if I just punch the air. Are my hands tough enough to punch on someone's face? Yes.
liokault wrote:Taste of Death wrote:liokault wrote:This is a stupid conversation.
No one has hands tough enough to punch a head safely at full power, it is at best a lottery of getting the angles correct and the other guy not moving his head at the wrong moment.
I don't think I have met or read anything by anyone who consistently punches people in the head, who hasn't reported regular breaks. Lenny Mcleans springs to mind...airc From his book, his hands were broken after more of less every fight.
On topic.
punching air < bag work >< floor to ceiling ball < pad work.
They all have their place, but a partner who is good on the pads is worth their weight in gold.
The conversation is about whether practicing cima on a heavy bag is useful. It is useful for many things but cima is not one of them.
Who suggested punching someone in the head? Try the neck out if you want to hit something soft.
You wrote:Taste of Death wrote:John asked how I toughen my hands if I just punch the air. Are my hands tough enough to punch on someone's face? Yes.
Guess I'm just from the old school that sees the face as part of the head...a largely bony part at that.
CIMA of no, if your doing a punching art and your not using the punch bag, your operating at a massively sub optimal level.
Punching a wall is not a substitute.
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