yfaway wrote:it should be made clear that feeling the Dantien rotation doesn't make one superior.
Eventually it develops into very loud squishy noise. It feels like a ball inside being squeezed and run from one side to another or up and down as the body turn horizontally or stretched vertically. I can't tell whether it goes diagonally. I have heard the same loud noise from four or five other people; they all have practiced for more than 5 years. The interesting thing is that there are many more people in my style having deeper understand of the art; they do feel the rotation, but don't generate the loud noise.
Here are a few other characteristics:
1. When the loud noise starts, the rotations in the Dantien area start controlling/triggering the breathing (in and out).
2. Besides the requirement of relaxation, the noise starts easier when the stomach is empty. If the stomach is full, it takes a bit longer.
3. More extensive stretching (expansion/contraction) --> faster time to get the Dantien rotation. The loud noise doesn't happen all the time. And when it happens, it is usually after some amount of time doing exercise/form.
I have question about the noise. does it sound like bubbles gurgling? or joints popping? I may have experienced both. let me explain further.
gurgle noise: bubbles in your guts moving around?
why are there bubbles in my guts? ideally there shouldn't be any if much if stomach emtpy, but due to our modern lives of sitting and breathing incorrectly, our trunks are super out of whack. for example if a rib is out of place or an injury occurs, and some structure is out of place, the misalignment will cause pressure differentials in the the body cavity. over time gass with gather at these low pressure pockets in the body (the low pressure pockets can cause guts/stomach etc to expand and not contract properly). this is why i think some people are so "gassy" i'm convinced it due to torso alignment.
if you happen to align a part of the torso and rid yourself of the pressure differential, you can expect to burp or fart. happens to me quite frequently because i'm going through a huge baselining project with my body. (attempting to align body so all movements work off the foundation of proper breath...)
when most of the pressure differentials are gone and alignment of torso gets better, the noises can go away because gas does not gather at low pressure point as much anymore.
loud joint popping sounds occur for me when body parts pop back into a different groove (hopefully resulting in more harmony and less tension overall). if joint continues to "pop" it means that there is a tension imbalanced in that system somewhere. I can imagine that a person can develop awareness but not proper alignment. if this is the case, repeated "popping" noises coming from a dantian area with a high degree of control could be a misaligned hip, rib or whatever. here control trumps awareness. hopefully awareness increases so that eventually alignment will happen and "pops" go away.
all of this obviously related to dantian because there are all factors of control and awareness of body (specifically torso). if you develop enough body awareness, and learn to really relax you can start sensing the subtle tension systems in your body. once you become familiar with how that feels, there are strategies to manipulate and balance these tensions.(orbits) at this point, if you can manipulate tensions in isolated systems, separate parts from of the whole (for sake of practice) , you should by that point have a good idea of your own dantian.
all movement works off some foundation. my goal was to connect earth to dantian, then use dantian as point of view, movement reference, and clear base foundation for all other movement. to do this requires body awareness, my method for increasing body awareness is to focus on breath. breath should be a coordinated, whole body exercise. and let me finish this ramble by saying all this doesn't necessarily make you a better fighter. you should feel more efficient in your movements in all of life and that is the key to health. efficiency is following the middle way.
to fight better, you just need to practice more real fighting.
robert wrote:Learning to take an external movement and internalize it takes a lot of practice.
to me internalizing an external movement means using the dantian as the reference point to move your body.
i think this is why talking about the dan tian is so difficult, because i think it's about consciousness/point of view. now we get into la la land where word only go so far.