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"Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby Strange on Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:27 am

李仲轩随唐维禄学过更为复杂吃劲的桩功
往往一站就一两个小时, 双手一抱就太简单, 以至于不知该在身体哪个部位吃劲

没料到在尚云祥面见站了一会儿后,尚云祥说了一句非常奇怪的话:
”你抱过女人没有?“
但是这句令人大宭的话却使李仲轩隐隐约约有所感悟
混身一松, 尚云祥说: ”对了。”


Li ZhongXuan followed Tang WeiLu learned many complicated and physically taxing zhanzhuang methods
usually standing for one to two hours each time, holding arms out in a hugging position is too simple,
making him unable to understand where he should apply tension to support his posture.

unexpectedly, while standing infront of Shang YunXiang for a short while, Shang said something very strange:
"Have you hold a woman before?"
This seemingly unrelated question seemed to let Li have some understanding
allowing him to relax his whole body
Shang said: "Correct."

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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby jjy5016 on Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:39 pm

Hsiang was obviously teaching him the importance of the concept of embracing. I believe it is called "bao" in Chinese.
"I kew evibady. I squeegee him - like dis. STAND me?"
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby Strange on Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:44 pm

yes, he was teaching hunyuan zhuang
with the arms held rounded at chest level

had to post
"have you hold a woman before?" sounds real gangster!
no bull, straight to the point!
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby Steve Rowe on Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:51 am

To get it right I would add 'woman with big tits'...
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby Ian on Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:12 am

I hold my women with nimtao.
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby Strange on Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:31 pm

Steve Rowe wrote:To get it right I would add 'woman with big tits'...


if whole body go soft, but one location hardens
it may be detrimental to qi development
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby everything on Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:39 pm

lolol 8-)
amateur practices til gets right pro til can't get wrong
/ better approx answer to right q than exact answer to wrong q which can be made precise /
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby Wanderingdragon on Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:35 pm

[quote="Strange"][quote="Steve Rowe"]To get it right I would add 'woman with big tits'...[/quote]

if whole body go soft, but one location hardens
it may be detrimental to qi development[/quote]


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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby Strange on Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:38 am

After he saw me training with hard punches, Shang YunXiang said:
"you practice in this manner is ok for training for fighting method;
but for training method, it should not be this way.

In training, it should be "lightly go out, heavily back in".
this means that the hitting hand is very light, while the
hand that is returning back to the body should feel like
you are holding something."

"what you see ppl teach outside, can easily make a person
confused; because in xingyi, we have fighting method,
training method and demo method"

"those who do not know just mix up all three and use it to
teach others."
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby suckinlhbf on Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:42 pm

we have fighting method,
training method and demo method


No disrespect to past and present masters, I don't buy into this. Maybe I don't interpret this right.

We have limited resources - time, energy etc so can only put our efforts in what we want. To train for fight would put all the energy, body, clearance of own blockage, power, and mind power to blow off his head with one punch, or punch through the body and break/tear whatever you can get when pulling the hand back. To train for demo would be focused on what the audiences would like to see. To hold a woman would be to fully engage in enjoying the feeling, softness/scent of her body, and the interaction.
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby johnwang on Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:18 pm

we have fighting method, training method and demo method

Fighting method - punch out fast, pull back fast.
training (for health) method - punch out slow, pull back fast.
demo method - punch out fast, freeze punch, pull back fast.

Fighting method - nature breathing.
training (for health) method - inhale when punch out, exhale when pull punch back.
demo method - exhale when punch out, inhale when pull punch back.
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby Trip on Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:39 pm

Strange wrote:In training, it should be "lightly go out, heavily back in".
this means that the hitting hand is very light, while the
hand that is returning back to the body should feel like
you are holding something."


"what you see ppl teach outside, can easily make a person
confused


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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby suckinlhbf on Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:03 pm

Fighting method - punch out fast, pull back fast.
training (for health) method - punch out slow, pull back fast.
demo method - punch out fast, freeze punch, pull back fast.

Fighting method - nature breathing.
training (for health) method - inhale when punch out, exhale when pull punch back.
demo method - exhale when punch out, inhale when pull punch back.


It is the thing I don't get and being confused.

Martial art is for survival and fight, isn't it. Training for health is health exercise or health qigong, and training for demo is performance art. Don't think can call it martial art if train for health and demo as a major goal. As a by-product, yes.
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby johnwang on Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:15 pm

suckinlhbf wrote:Martial art is for survival and fight, isn't it. Training for health is health exercise or health qigong, and training for demo is performance art. Don't think can call it martial art if train for health and demo as a major goal. As a by-product, yes.

Agree with you 100% there. Since 李仲轩 was a CMA for health person, his point of view may not suit for many people. I have his book. When I read his book, I don't quite believe what he had said such as someone could run faster than car speed.
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Re: "Have You Hold a Woman Before?"

Postby Strange on Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:39 pm

to be sure, "health" when discussing in icma has the meaning of
increasing one's bodily function, organ strength, musculoskeletal strength and alignment,
depth and smoothness of breathing.

so when you see past masters discussing martial arts for health, they do not see it as
mutually exclusive to/with fighting. In fact, more "health" would equate to better
fighting ability.

Some yiquan masters and practitioners use the term "wei sheng" (as in meaning of
"hygiene" in common chinese parlance), but their meaning for the term is
being "pro-life", as in increasing life energy, instead of subtracting from it...
by mistakenly adopting practices that may be bad for the body system,
for example.
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