Entering strategy workshop - 3/25 Houston Kung Fu tournament

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Re: Entering strategy workshop - 3/25 Houston Kung Fu tournament

Postby Yeung on Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:41 pm

Stepping to the front door with a rear leg stance is still vulnerable, but I think you are working with defensive strategy and not offensive entry.
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Re: Entering strategy workshop - 3/25 Houston Kung Fu tournament

Postby johnwang on Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:25 pm

Yeung wrote:Stepping to the front door with a rear leg stance is still vulnerable, but I think you are working with defensive strategy and not offensive entry.

The best way to step into your opponent's front door is to "shin bite" on your opponent's leading leg. If you don't do that, your opponent will do that to you.

This is why I don't like Taiji PH. Both persons totally ignore the other person's "leg function". The "alert" is not there. The longer that you do PH, the less "alert" that you will have. You pay all your attention on your hands, you totally ignore your legs.

In the following picture, either person can apply "foot scoop" on the other.

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Re: Entering strategy workshop - 3/25 Houston Kung Fu tournament

Postby Yeung on Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:54 pm

Thanks for your examples of post-contact orthodox stance verse southpaw stance, and southpaw vs southpaw. But what about precontact entry strategy?
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Re: Entering strategy workshop - 3/25 Houston Kung Fu tournament

Postby johnwang on Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:27 pm

Too many things can happen before contact. When you apply entering strategy, you have to be patient. You only need one successful entering to finish the fight.
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Re: Entering strategy workshop - 3/25 Houston Kung Fu tournament

Postby Yeung on Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:59 pm

johnwang wrote:Front door entry:

PRO: You have total control on your opponent. Your opponent's body is completely under your attack. It's harder for your opponent to escape out of your attack. If you think you are better than your pponent, attack his front door.
CON: You have to deal with both of your opponent's hands. Your waist is exposed for your opponent and your opponent can drag you down with him.

Side door entry:

PRO: You only have to deal with one of his hands. It's difficult if not impossible for your opponent to drag you down. You can move into his back door easily. If you think your opponent is better than you, attack his side door.
CON: You only have partial of your opponent's body to attack. It's easily for your opponent to escape out of your attack.


Any additional comment with reference to pre-contact entry?
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Re: Entering strategy workshop - 3/25 Houston Kung Fu tournament

Postby johnwang on Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:26 pm

Yeung wrote:Any additional comment with reference to pre-contact entry?

My strategy is to control my opponent's leading arm's wrist ASAP.

1. In uniform stance (my right, his right) - I'll use my back left hand to control his front right wrist. If he rotates his arm, I'll use parry followed by wrap.
2. In mirror stance (my right, his left) - I'll use my front right hand to control his front left wrist. If he rotates his arm, I'll use spiral arm followed by under hook.
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Re: Entering strategy workshop - 3/25 Houston Kung Fu tournament

Postby Yeung on Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:28 am

Please clarify, as it seems to me that in both cases the opponent got his or her leading foot in your front door or middle door 中门,
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Re: Entering strategy workshop - 3/25 Houston Kung Fu tournament

Postby johnwang on Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:01 pm

Yeung wrote:Please clarify, as it seems to me that in both cases the opponent got his or her leading foot in your front door or middle door 中门,

For uniform stance front door entry, may be this clip can make it clear.

- You first move in your back foot to line up with both of your opponent's feet.
- You then move your leading foot to "shin bite" on his leading leg.

At this moment your leading foot is inside of your opponent's front door. Your opponent's leading foot is also inside of your front door. Since you use shin bite on his leg, you have advantage.

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Re: Entering strategy workshop - 3/25 Houston Kung Fu tournament

Postby Yeung on Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:29 am

johnwang wrote:Workshop "Entering Strategy" will be given during 3/25/2017 Houston Kung Fu tournament. See you there if you are interested.

I. Circular walking

1. Uniform stance
2. Mirror stance
3. Counter

II. Circular Running and counter

III. Front door entering strategies:

1. Rhino guard
2. Zombie guard
3. Double spears
4. Octopus strategy
5. Upward and downward separate hands

IV. Side door entering strategies:

1. Gou Lou Cai Shou
2. Leading arm jam back arm
3. Lower arm jam upper arm
4. Arm tuck with arm wrap
5. Arm tuck with body control


It sounds more like defensive strategies or techniques than offensive strategies to me, but I hope you will have a good workshop session.
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