In Chang Taiji
I think that was the point I was making. But, I'd be happy to say that the Chang method (based on shuaijiao) is definitive for Chang Taiji. If everybody does FUE that way, and it's the standard, cool. However, imo, it isn't bad to compare different methods and applications. Maybe someone actually learned something from John's description. Maybe someone has or knows a qinna application. Hey, I think someone here mentioned that his style has a punch somewhere in the move.