Benefits of Kicking & Screaming

[Bao]

I like working with the five different sounds of Hunggar. But it's a very different way of dealing with sounds and a different philosophy than from XYQ/BGZ/TJQ. Hunggar sounds works like power breathing, you'll get completely exhausted working with them. A great workout, but can be mentally and emotionally exhausting, draining.

I respectfully disagree - actually, the opposite is true. If you get exhausted, you are doing it wrong. Most people do "Iron Thread" as a hard-only exercise, which is wrong. Please refer to this article: http://practicalhungkyun.com/2013/09/th ... as-thread/

No, I know that the Iron Thread is actually very soft, although it looks strong in appearance. Maybe I didn't express myself very well. A friend who is a senior disciple and will become the official lineage holder of his branch taught me the Dragon form which is essentially a short version of the Iron Wire. I was taught it as just as soft as tai chi. You don't use forced breath, but the very relaxed movements coordinated with sound and breath is exhausting. It feels very much like power breathing or breath therapy. It's a very powerful breathing method, though you relax and remain soft.

[Pavel Macek]

Bao, I still disagree. When done properly, you feel energised, fresh, alert, full of power, ready for battle - if you are exhausted, you are not practicing it properly.

[Trick]

An simple but good article about "screaming" in martial arts, here particularly in the Japanese traditions : http://fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=158

[Bao]

Bao, I still disagree. When done properly, you feel energised, fresh, alert, full of power, ready for battle - if you are exhausted, you are not practicing it properly.

Ok, I will say hello from you to my friend who is a Hunggar lineage holder and tell him that you think his shit is fake.

[C.J.W.]

I like working with the five different sounds of Hunggar. But it's a very different way of dealing with sounds and a different philosophy than from XYQ/BGZ/TJQ. Hunggar sounds works like power breathing, you'll get completely exhausted working with them. A great workout, but can be mentally and emotionally exhausting, draining.

I respectfully disagree - actually, the opposite is true. If you get exhausted, you are doing it wrong. Most people do "Iron Thread" as a hard-only exercise, which is wrong. Please refer to this article: http://practicalhungkyun.com/2013/09/th ... as-thread/

That's a good point. I believe it's also the main reason why some southern style practitioners can be healthy and rock-solid in their 80s and 90s, while others tend to develop hypertension, stroke, hernia, and other serious side effects associated with excessive strenuous exercise.

[Pavel Macek]

Bao, if you notice, I wrote: "I respectfully disagree." Honestly, I do not care about "lineage holders" and such things - I care about functional skills.

C.J.W.: My Si Gung, Grand Master Lam Jou, was strong and healthy in his 100. He practiced his "Iron Thread" daily, every morning, and criticised "external"/isometric/isotonic performance of the set.

[Bao]

Bao, if you notice, I wrote: "I respectfully disagree." Honestly, I do not care about "lineage holders" and such things - I care about functional skills.

Respecfully? You say that a high level person apparently does something wrong, and you have no respect for a person although this guy has probably dedicated at least 25 years of his life practicing an art. I would suspect you have put in less than one tenth of the time compared to this person who practice and teach many hours every single day.

I have no time nor reason to explain myself or go further into it. But F.Y.I., any kind of physical practice can give the system a kind of rush. I had one guy fainting at his first Tai Chi class and all I did was introducing simple relaxation exercises. So a certain reaction does not mean that someone does anything wrong. It might mean that you are not used to relaxing or not used to a certain kind of exercise, there are different reasons. Some people say that sweating in tai chi is wrong. But you can sweat a whole lot just by breathing, relaxing and moving or standing.
... I've never said once that the breathing should be strenuous or "isometric". If you want to keep on arguing about things I've never said or have claimed, pls go on and argue with yourself as much as you want. End of discussion from me. I'm out.