Benefits of Kicking & Screaming

[grzegorz]

The Muay Thai "Grunt" - Benefits of Kicking & Screaming | Muay Thai Guy

http://www.muay-thai-guy.com/muay-thai-grunt.html

[wiesiek]

..." if you hear yourself yelling and screaming, you are absolutely certain that you are exhaling when you should be. Whereas if you don’t make an effort to grunt as you exhale, it’s much easier to forget to breathe and control your breathing..."

`cause we are practicing breathing from the very beginning its not valid point for CMA`ist
also, I`m not so sure about 10% more POW when screamin`,- you`re givin` out more energy -sure thing. Direct translation/transformation from sound to fist- Hmmm ?...
I learned, that:
Fast exhale with the >HA<
BUT
HA doesn`t need to be audible , however you may yell if you like

[grzegorz]

I have seen IMA people look down at screaming but I thought they made some valid points.

[wiesiek]

i`m not to deep into the screaming thing,
but for me - it is something like "last resort", not for everyday sparing .
Particularly, if we take those 10% as the truth, it is better not to drain to the bottom every time

[Bao]

Screaming and very strong out breath through the mouth make the body send stress signals to the brain. They will say that there is something wrong and prepare you for panic mode. So if you want to maintain control, continue to be relaxed and balanced, shouting and breathing hard is the very last thing you should do

I learned, that:
Fast exhale with the >HA<
BUT
HA doesn`t need to be audible , however you may yell if you like

Ha and Heng ("E" sounds like the vowel in "stir".) seem to be the most prominent sounds in IMA. They have quite a different effect on striking power as they shape the chest and press out the air differently. So yes, you can do the "shape" and breath without sound. The sound in itself is not important, but how physical movement is coordinated together with breath.

[Ron Panunto]

Ha and Heng ("E" sounds like the vowel in "stir".)

You mean like "Hirng"?

[I am...]

What about the sounds of Tigers and Thunder from Xingyi and Yiquan?

[C.J.W.]

IMO, the concept and practice of "kiai" (borrowing the Japanese term) are largely misunderstood. The vast majority of MAists/fighters who do it turn it into a silly shouting -- or, in this case, screaming -- contest.

In the traditional CMA styles that I've been exposed to, the sound you generate when releasing power is the result of compressing and condensing the breath into the dantian, which not only adds an extra burst of energy to your strikes, but also increases the body's ability to withstand punishment.

[windwalker]

IMO, the concept and practice of "kiai" (borrowing the Japanese term) are largely misunderstood. The vast majority of MAists/fighters who do it turn it into a silly shouting -- or, in this case, screaming -- contest.

In the traditional CMA styles that I've been exposed to, the sound you generate when releasing power is the result of compressing and condensing the breath into the dantian, which not only adds an extra burst of energy to your strikes, but also increases the body's ability to withstand punishment.

yep

White crane " lama hop gar" has some sounds used for this,
Hung Gar, has its iron wire set that uses sound.

In some qi gong practices they use what are called 6 healing sounds
to stimulate or affect different organs.

[Trick]

Speaking about Kiai, "Kotodama" the spirit of words and sound was a method and practice Morhei Ueshiba was devoted to and used it's principles in his creation and practice of Aikido.....My Aikido teacher talked about Kotodama, i did not think to much about it back then, but nowdays i see it as a interesting topic.

[Pavel Macek]

Please check out this article with Southenr Chinese martial arts perspective:

Use and Meaning of the Sounds, Shouts and Screams

http://practicalhungkyun.com/2013/07/hu ... d-screams/

[Bao]

Ha and Heng ("E" sounds like the vowel in "stir".)

You mean like "Hirng"?

ö
Something like that. It's the same sound you write "Ö", "OE" or "Ø" with nordic/scandinavian languages. But Chinese "e" (mandarin/putonghua) is done from deeper down the throat, like you are going to throw up.

[Bao]

Please check out this article with Southenr Chinese martial arts perspective:

Use and Meaning of the Sounds, Shouts and Screams

http://practicalhungkyun.com/2013/07/hu ... d-screams/

I like working with the five different sounds of Hunggar. But it's a very different way of dealing with sounds and a different philosophy than from XYQ/BGZ/TJQ. Hunggar sounds works like power breathing, you'll get completely exhausted working with them. A great workout, but can be mentally and emotionally exhausting, draining.

"..."use sounds to boost courage“ (Yi Seng Jo Sai)". Yes, they have probably been used as mental and psychological preparation for battle. I can understand how they can clean your thoughts and give you a feeling of power. This is not like philosophy, superstition or a mantra, the work with these sounds really do have a great psychological and emotional impact.

[Pavel Macek]

I like working with the five different sounds of Hunggar. But it's a very different way of dealing with sounds and a different philosophy than from XYQ/BGZ/TJQ. Hunggar sounds works like power breathing, you'll get completely exhausted working with them. A great workout, but can be mentally and emotionally exhausting, draining.

I respectfully disagree - actually, the opposite is true. If you get exhausted, you are doing it wrong. Most people do "Iron Thread" as a hard-only exercise, which is wrong. Please refer to this article: http://practicalhungkyun.com/2013/09/th ... as-thread/

[windwalker]

I like working with the five different sounds of Hunggar. But it's a very different way of dealing with sounds and a different philosophy than from XYQ/BGZ/TJQ. Hunggar sounds works like power breathing, you'll get completely exhausted working with them. A great workout, but can be mentally and emotionally exhausting, draining.

I respectfully disagree - actually, the opposite is true. If you get exhausted, you are doing it wrong. Most people do "Iron Thread" as a hard-only exercise, which is wrong. Please refer to this article: http://practicalhungkyun.com/2013/09/th ... as-thread/

Interesting had a friend into hunggar long ago.

I've heard it called both ways "thread & wire"

Traditional Chinese maxim describes the core principles of the set in following words: “Hard as iron, soft as thread” (Gong Yu Tit, Yau Yu Sin). This is the reason why I prefer to translate Tit Sin Kyun a s „Iron Thread Set“ instead of „Iron Wire Set“.

from the link....good to know...