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kenneth fish wrote:I don't quite grasp the reluctance to use what you have trained for. If you do not want to deal violently with someone who is intending to do you harm, perhaps you should try macrame. In sparring, if someone is getting overly aggressive, go for the knock-out, or at least hit him hard enough where it counts to change his attitude. In real life, be quick, be violent, and do not hold back.
choldstare wrote:kenneth fish wrote:I don't quite grasp the reluctance to use what you have trained for. If you do not want to deal violently with someone who is intending to do you harm, perhaps you should try macrame. In sparring, if someone is getting overly aggressive, go for the knock-out, or at least hit him hard enough where it counts to change his attitude. In real life, be quick, be violent, and do not hold back.
I see what you're saying. It's just that that seems very yang on yang which from the classics is not recommended. Maybe I'm misunderstanding it. Also there's a part of me that struggles to turn on that killer instinct some days. Like i said I'm not naturally an aggressive person or someone that wants to inflict harm on someone but it's definitely not healthy to let the other person inflict harm on me either. I love martial arts/sparring testing myself I am just curious if other people felt something like this before and what they did to overcome it.
One of Wong's most popular tales is his return to Guangdong. In front of Hai Tung Monastery, Wong set up an elevated stage known as a leitai to accept challenges from any and all comers. Over the course of eighteen days, he defeated over one hundred and fifty challengers.
"Either the challenger was maimed or killed," noted Chin. "He never let one challenger leave his school without injury.
He was a master of using the technique of cruelty." There are four principles for Hop Gar: cruelty, evasion, penetration and interception. When asked about cruelty, Chin stoically quotes the Lama White Crane kung fu classics: "When hunting a tiger, destroy it. Otherwise, a wounded tiger will return to harm you. When weeding a garden, pull up the roots. Otherwise, the weeds will grow back. Whether the lion is hunting an elephant or a rabbit, the lion always uses full force."
Whether the lion is hunting an elephant or a rabbit, the lion always uses full force.
marvin8 wrote:@ 16:00:Joseph "Bazooka Joe" Valtellini wrote:Fighting is not what you actually throw. A good coach is going to teach you positioning, distance. He’s going to tell you more philosophies and strategies around fighting.
@ 17:23:Joseph "Bazooka Joe" Valtellini wrote:It’s about mobility in my opinion . . . You got to be able to adapt. If you’re fighting a pressure fighter you have to be able to move and fight on angles. If you are fighting a guy who now likes to move around a lot you got to be able to pressure fight. So, you have to have the coaching and knowledge to be able to adapt accordingly.
choldstare wrote:I'm curious on the community opinion on how to deal with a very aggressive opponent or individual in a fight or in sparring. I'm not naturally a very aggressive person but I want to be able to deal with people who are very aggressive and strong. Is the best way to match their aggression/intent?
The only thing that's worked for me so far is to match their intent. If they're coming at you with the intent to "take you out" I have to turn on the intensity and ferocity but it doesn't feel very nice or "zen".. albeit I enjoy the sensation. I have to go for ending it as quickly as possible to contain what they might do to me but i'm not sure If it's healthy to break someones arm or choke them unconscious.
Feels like he's just going to walk out or move on to someone who he knows he can dominate and hurt and take out his frustration on him/her. (Saw this happen first hand.)
Some of my buddies made comments like "you have to beat it out of them" agree, disagree?
Steve James wrote:I think people are coming at this from slightly different perspectives that are really different questions. For ex., if the question is "What do I do when a guy who's asked for a friendly spar tries to take my head off or really hurt me?" Well, typically, the first advice is "Defend yourself at all times." So, it doesn't matter whether the guy asked for a "friendly" bout. Ya never know. But, now that you know, what should you do? That completely depends. Sometimes, it'd be appropriate to say "Thanks," and then leave, if that's the option. It's the same rule; the only question is method. Honestly, if the other guy seems like a bully, "defending myself" might include trying to hurt the other guy. However, I'd be doing that voluntarily, and some might consider me to be bullying. If the other guy is bigger and stronger, I'd rationalize it by considering it a public service.
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