everything wrote:You can articulate every joint really well like a breakdancer, but you got me more confused than before. The internal qigong work I like to do is through taijiquan form and standing pretty still.
Finny wrote:Domo arigato, Mr Roboto.
Domo.
Domo.
everything wrote:I guess the whole thing confuses me ... plus I cannot articulate my joints very well, plus I can't isolate qi. If I'm standing in sort of "hug tree" and point my middle finger at my other palm and sort of twitch it, I get a feeling of an "orbit" around the arms in this sort of horizontal plane. Perhaps that's more similar to what you're describing. But I never saw a reason to do this; just noticed it randomly. Haven't connected it to anything like rooting or yielding. Edit: Messing around in push hands, I tried to sort of "circulate" a push by "borrowing" a push on my left arm to come around to the right arm to push my partner. Didn't connect this to this qigong feeling. But that could be the beginning of something interesting.
bruised wrote:everything wrote:I guess the whole thing confuses me ... plus I cannot articulate my joints very well, plus I can't isolate qi. If I'm standing in sort of "hug tree" and point my middle finger at my other palm and sort of twitch it, I get a feeling of an "orbit" around the arms in this sort of horizontal plane. Perhaps that's more similar to what you're describing. But I never saw a reason to do this; just noticed it randomly. Haven't connected it to anything like rooting or yielding. Edit: Messing around in push hands, I tried to sort of "circulate" a push by "borrowing" a push on my left arm to come around to the right arm to push my partner. Didn't connect this to this qigong feeling. But that could be the beginning of something interesting.
Yes. This is what I do too. But my levels of awareness are such that if I wanted to, I could "barrow" from my gooch and stack it and direct it to my middle finger. This is what a finger jab from the lower dantian would mean to me. Beyond what finny thinks, this is a purely physical but the awareness is all mental. Keep up with that orbit awareness.
BruceP wrote:Re: Specific Personal IMA Milestones and Goals
Never getting trapped in a self-absorbed MO or state of mind. Tweaking oneself to the extent that it's a preoccupation rather than a side-effect of proper training and time spent.
everything wrote:bruised wrote:everything wrote:I guess the whole thing confuses me ... plus I cannot articulate my joints very well, plus I can't isolate qi. If I'm standing in sort of "hug tree" and point my middle finger at my other palm and sort of twitch it, I get a feeling of an "orbit" around the arms in this sort of horizontal plane. Perhaps that's more similar to what you're describing. But I never saw a reason to do this; just noticed it randomly. Haven't connected it to anything like rooting or yielding. Edit: Messing around in push hands, I tried to sort of "circulate" a push by "borrowing" a push on my left arm to come around to the right arm to push my partner. Didn't connect this to this qigong feeling. But that could be the beginning of something interesting.
Yes. This is what I do too. But my levels of awareness are such that if I wanted to, I could "barrow" from my gooch and stack it and direct it to my middle finger. This is what a finger jab from the lower dantian would mean to me. Beyond what finny thinks, this is a purely physical but the awareness is all mental. Keep up with that orbit awareness.
In that case a little rooting test experiment like the one I described should be interesting.
bruised wrote:I believe i understand your concern.
we are all tweaking our selves with whatever we decide to occupy.
allow me to explain my hierarchy of systems, understandings, and priorities. i am currently absorbed in self, to forget about self.
"proper training and time spent"..... "side" effect. these are all terms based on perspective and point of view, and understanding.
I'd like to reiterate that my reference for life and how i live, how i move, how i think comes internally. for most, it is externally.
let me try to point my mind in the direction of my stereotype of an average martial artist:
my goal is to become great fighter
to become great fighter, i have to learn how to fight
to learn how to fight, i study fight moves and fight knowledge (most people are stuck here)
more advanced understanding:
fight moves are specific collection of natural moves with specific intent
fight knowledge is also specific collection of natural understanding with specific intent
moves are based on body, understanding is based in mind
consciousness is the meeting of body and mind
how to move naturally? how to have natural mind?
become conscious of breath and mind.
breath is natural reference to movement and mind
move with breath
now at this point, the martial artist should be pretty damn proud of themselves. quite the journey. that is a journey of a martial artist learning their breath for internal power for their fighting. BUT for most, martial arts is just (small) part of their whole lives. so they have spend a lot of time but only towards a specific sector (goal?) of their lives.
how many years was that? how long before they understood dantian? i million hours of horse stance is good for you no matter what, right? those AH HA! self experiences are the best.
now read the list from the bottom up. that's me. the difference is that thus far, I have spent a lot of time on what supports my whole life. I have lived consistently and proportionately in what i study and how much time ive spent on my studies vs the amount of time i spent on "the rest of my life." when i eat, shit, fuck, or fight, it all comes from the same. does the martial artist think about kung fu when he shits? only if he's mastered the dantian LOL
also understand that I am in no rush to learn how to fight, but when and after I become "a great fighter" there is more i can become great at (in my life) because of my perspective and foundation. the idea of fighting does not limit me. the other direction will limit one. so now, hows that quote go again
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