Appledog wrote:Of course on a forum and with imprecise, nonstandard terms I would have questions. Like, what you mean by multiple orbits, expanding the orbits, etc.
bruised wrote:my tensions are what guide my standing meditation. my standing meditation posture is the pile stance (i imagine my body is a pile of rocks or balls i have to balance... 7 pearls?).
Would it surprise you to learn that most of the 'secret' tai chi qigong exercises are called 'tension' exercises? You hold postures and perform moves with certain very specific tensions and relaxations. There are certain tensions you can do in standing pole and in the form too. But you wouldn't see them if you were watching from afar. I think such a thing is your level now, if you can do it (or find someone who can do it).
Appledog wrote:
I liked your post, yeah thats a good sensation, some teachers would say you are in the door already with sensations like that. Of course on a forum and with imprecise, nonstandard terms I would have questions. Like, what you mean by multiple orbits, expanding the orbits, etc.
Would it surprise you to learn that most of the 'secret' tai chi qigong exercises are called 'tension' exercises? You hold postures and perform moves with certain very specific tensions and relaxations. There are certain tensions you can do in standing pole and in the form too. But you wouldn't see them if you were watching from afar. I think such a thing is your level now, if you can do it (or find someone who can do it).
I'm only a bit surprised! you are totally right about the the nonstandard terms. what led me to this forum was these sensation. what i'm come to realize is that i've stumbled upon the inner body tension systems "on my own", which i now understand is a foundation for the internal arts. I'm seeking local teacher at the moment for further knowledge and to standardize my language on Neijing / Neigong (
http://www.wudangdanpai.com/ ) I think such things are my level now, but very informally.
to me orbits: isolated movement systems or complexes. body cogs, chakras, dantians, tendon pathways. these all talk about the similar ideas IMO. mental divisions of the body to isolate systems for development and alignment.
expand orbit: ideally orbits , anatomy trains, tendon pathways, etc should be smooth and aligned. but due to tensions or injuries they can be zigzaged, twisted, pulled, kinked, impinged. i imagine a crinkled loop. expanding the orbit means to physically align and expand by breath the muscles and body parts involved in the orbit. expanding the orbit slowly straightens out some of these imbalances. this first requires being able to isolate these orbits, which first requires being aware of the orbit.
multiple orbits: for example look at the spiral anatomy train lines. I can consider one complete anatomy line and its antagonist as a big orbit. people can have disfunction in orbits due to tensions. these tensions can (will) lie at a junction of two or more orbits. or when looking at a movement of the body, one can study which orbits are involved in a certain action.
internal martials arts is the dissection, examination, understanding and mastery internal movement. things that happen even before anything externally visible happens. thats why standing meditation is big part of my practice. orbits are just a way to organise and break down related tension systems
do you have further reading on these techniques? PM me? thanks!