Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

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Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby johnwang on Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:45 am

If you train this XingYi Pi Chuan drill 1,000 times daily vs. you train this long fist kick punch drill 1,000 times daily, which will give you better "health" benefit? Which training can make you "live longer" that you will have better chance to see your 100 years old birthday?

Your thought?



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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby Yeung on Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:20 pm

Can your try both, and let me know the difference in heart rate?
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby johnwang on Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:25 pm

Yeung wrote:Can your try both, and let me know the difference in heart rate?

You will get faster heart rate from long fist drill than from XY drill. A kick will take more energy than a punch does. To stand on one leg is also more challenged than to stand on both legs.

One kick-punch drill that I like is:

- right back fist
- left side kick
- double hands pull
- right front kick
- right palm strike
- right/left wrist lock
- right side kick
- left back kick
- right front kick
- right hammer fist
- right/left arm block
- right straight punch.

I just don't have enough energy to drill it 1,000 times.
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby yeniseri on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:01 pm

I get a good workout with changquan routine because of the "integrated hand/leg/foot extension" with the varied routine. I also vacumn the carpet, make the bed, mow the lawn and take out the garbage as instructed by my other half so it is good to get away while going nowhere ;D

BTW Due to the coordinated neuromuscular coordination going on, it is positive in all regards without special equipment!
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby C.J.W. on Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:23 pm

Exercises that are more rigorous do not necessarily bring better health benefits.

This latest article from Time health points out that even slow-moving Taiji can produce health benefits comparable to jogging and other forms of fast-moving workouts. (The results are backed by scientific research.)

http://time.com/4758683/tai-chi-exercise/
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby Strange on Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:46 pm

which "drill" make your breathe reach your dantian more?

heart rate? what heart rate?
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if so, it is wrong technique/speed/breathing/mind (you not concentrating/stressed out, etc)

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that's why Pi is the first
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby Dmitri on Mon May 01, 2017 6:43 am

Strange wrote:heart rate? what heart rate?
in cma talk cma
don't mix the east and west

Weird, I could have sworn they had beating hearts in the east... Oh well, live and learn. ;D
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby Trick on Mon May 01, 2017 8:01 am

The correct TCM exercise should get heart rate up but breath still naturally kept slow and steady. Drill Piquan of Tongbeiquan achieve this, the result is quite immediate. But live till 100yrs, can not be assured.
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby everything on Mon May 01, 2017 8:45 am

Statistically the best way to live to 115 is to

BE A JAPANESE WOMAN.

I don't think they train CMA but there is plenty of data to prove their method is better than CMA.
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby Appledog on Mon May 01, 2017 9:39 am

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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby Trick on Mon May 01, 2017 9:39 pm

everything wrote:Statistically the best way to live to 115 is to

BE A JAPANESE WOMAN.

I don't think they train CMA but there is plenty of data to prove their method is better than CMA.

'Miso soup & seaweed'........Okinawans are said to have the longest lifespan, probably not because of Karate practice, but because of diet and something called 'Moai' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai_(soc ... ort_groups)
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby Trick on Mon May 01, 2017 9:52 pm

Appledog wrote:
Trick wrote:The correct TCM exercise should get heart rate up but breath still naturally kept slow and steady. Drill Piquan of Tongbeiquan achieve this, the result is quite immediate. But live till 100yrs, can not be assured.


I can guarantee you will live to over 100 years in my school.

But your not going to like the jibengong :)

I'm very picky about jibengong practice, i especially dislike those exercises involving high kicks........But i do like Miso soup and seaweed :)
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby Yeung on Tue May 02, 2017 7:26 am

Trick wrote:
everything wrote:Statistically the best way to live to 115 is to

BE A JAPANESE WOMAN.

I don't think they train CMA but there is plenty of data to prove their method is better than CMA.

'Miso soup & seaweed'........Okinawans are said to have the longest lifespan, probably not because of Karate practice, but because of diet and something called 'Moai' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai_(soc ... ort_groups)


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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby Yeung on Tue May 02, 2017 7:38 am

johnwang wrote:
Yeung wrote:Can your try both, and let me know the difference in heart rate?

You will get faster heart rate from long fist drill than from XY drill. A kick will take more energy than a punch does. To stand on one leg is also more challenged than to stand on both legs.

One kick-punch drill that I like is:

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I just don't have enough energy to drill it 1,000 times.

For your age any exercise between 90 to 120 bit per minute is sufficient, and 30 minutes per day plus small amount of heavy work will keep you healthy according to experts. But maintaining your strength is another question, maybe this is why people look for eccentric exercise.
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Re: Which drill can give you better "health" benefit?

Postby yeniseri on Tue May 02, 2017 9:02 am

Generally, one can do without CMA but wellness, fitness and health has various variable/attributes that contribute to longevity.
There are numerous domains but here is one view that shares variables: http://www.nationalwellness.org/?page=Six_Dimensions

Actual objective criteria for fitness per heart rate is based on something called Karvonen's formula: 220-one's age X .75 (based on fitness professional assessment as it can be anywhere from 50-90%. Based on a less than healthy lifestyle the adjusted formula has been adjudicated to be: 200-age X .x%
Objectively, a heart patient who has had surgery cannot be subjected to to initial 220-age as the heart rate will be too high.
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