這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby Steve James on Mon May 29, 2017 1:04 pm

To me, self-defense is not only to defend yourself but to defend your family members when help from the law is not available.


Nobody needs a martial art, though. A weapon is better. I agree that defending others (friends and family members) is a great reason for learning a martial, shuai jiao, for example. The same applies to learning to use a gun or knife. But, I think that many people won't carry weapons for lots of reasons. So, they're going to be left with their hands and whatever is available.

And, the other issue, imo, is that the original reason for martial arts was to train those who could to protect those who couldn't. It doesn't take a martial artist to fight for his family. Fighting for those you don't know is what soldiers and warriors do.
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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby bartekb on Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:24 am

the saga continues exactly as expected
Another case of CMA "master" making fool of himself
http://www.bjjee.com/articles/bjj-black ... ral-video/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYA9LEO-raw
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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby Appledog on Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:57 am

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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby windwalker on Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:12 am

Appledog wrote:
bartekb wrote:the saga continues exactly as expected
Another case of CMA "master" making fool of himself
http://www.bjjee.com/articles/bjj-black ... ral-video/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYA9LEO-raw


Again we see a common theme. Mr. Ma is no master, and this is yet another publicity stunt.

Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT8CSh7SWMk -- which is quite honest on the whole Mr. Xu challenge thing. It was a giant publicity stunt.

Any time someone wants to step in the ring there are numerous existing and sanctioned events they could participate in. But these videos, which look more like TV commercials or shaolin temple documentary videos, have no credibility.

Introduction to Master Ma Bao Guo--
In 1982, he became a student of Master Shangji (Who?) a well-known exponent of Xingyiquan (mind-body boxing). After three years, because of his rapid progress, Master Shangji recommended Ma Baoguo to Master Wang
Changhai (Who?)in order to learn Taijiquan. (Read that again...)
Master Ma also had the good fortunate to learn Gongfu from a rather enigmatic master, Guo Shenghai. (Who?)
After many years of practice and study, Master Ma absorbed three skilled Masters Gongfu and integrated this knowledge into his Taijiquan. As a consequence Master Ma's Taijiquan is very practical."

[Another one of those. I see.]


+1 ;)
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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby Peacedog on Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:22 am

Everyone was kung fu fighting, yet no one was very frightening......;)
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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby marvin8 on Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:13 am

Published on May 9, 2017
Today I saw a news report out of Taiwan with Sifu Lo Man Kam debating a guy who wants to advertise his MMA, arguing if traditional martial arts can be used in actual combat. Here is my response this question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpjJGUiDkCk
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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:33 pm

I don't know who he is telling lies about Australians always wanting to fight
If I or any of my mates see him we will punch him in the head for those lies

All jokes aside Australians who fight are a small part of the society
It is usually linked to age and alcohol
Never have I told someone I train and they want to fight me.

I think if he teaches them boxing first then adds wing Chun techniques
It is boxing with a few additives not wing chun
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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby Steve James on Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:23 pm

Aw, he might say the same thing about Londoners right after pub closing :).

I think if he teaches them boxing first then adds wing Chun techniques
It is boxing with a few additives not wing chun


Only his students should care about that, since it is their goals which are important. They don't owe anything to wing chun or boxing. Anyway, if the question isn't labeling, all that matters is effectiveness. So what if they're just learning effective boxing?

I think that he's right in that the practice methods of (some/most) cmas do not have the same emphasis on competition that some other arts do. That doesn't mean they can't.
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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby C.J.W. on Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:05 pm

I'd say that the main reasons MMA has developed faster in the West are:

1. It was invented in the West (a little 'duh' here).

2. MMA ties in perfectly with Western competitive and spectator sport culture and is therefore quickly understood and embraced by the general public. MMA
fights are organized and publicized like major sporting matches with pay-per-view broadcasting, and you see fighters belonging to different teams working
out in the gyms with their partners and trainers, preparing to duke it out in the ring in order to win a belt. All these elements are very familiar and relatable
to Westerners who grew up playing and watching competitive sports.
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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:13 pm

Steve James wrote:Aw, he might say the same thing about Londoners right after pub closing :).

I think if he teaches them boxing first then adds wing Chun techniques
It is boxing with a few additives not wing chun


Only his students should care about that, since it is their goals which are important. They don't owe anything to wing chun or boxing. Anyway, if the question isn't labeling, all that matters is effectiveness. So what if they're just learning effective boxing?

I think that he's right in that the practice methods of (some/most) cmas do not have the same emphasis on competition that some other arts do. That doesn't mean they can't.



I thought his whole point was to make TCMA usable in MMA
I see nothing wrong with anyone teaching or using anything they want
Just call it what it is
If you teach boxing basics it's basically boxing
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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby Steve James on Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:54 pm

Well, if we're talking about mma, it's not about boxing or wing chun. However, I thought he was saying that tcmas were usable in mma. He suggested that the main reason they (apparently) weren't was because of traditional training methods that did not lend themselves to that context.
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Re: 這就是中國, This is China says Xu Xiaodong

Postby B_Diniz on Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:44 pm

Mr. Xu, as John Wang stated, was very specific saying Taijiquan guys (99% for more exactly) cannot fighting! For him maybe another kind of TCMA practitioner could be tough guys on fighting skills (or even enter in a MMA cage!)... Do you guys, believe he believes on it?
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