the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2017 9:38 am**

Ok so I know many more exist online that don't have a presence on YouTube, so please share them.

I'll start with two most obvious ones...
Jake Mace
https://youtu.be/F5xyEbdDLKA

Freddie Lee
https://youtu.be/gx1fBMCBQyg

Thoughts?

Have any others to share?

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2017 5:41 pm**

Hello! I am editing this post to point out that users here cannot delete their own posts. I do not understand why users have the ability to edit their posts but not to delete their posts.

Originally I wanted to have a "cool post count" of 108, or something like that (something associated with Tai Chi) but that does not seem possible here.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2017 6:07 pm**

I'd characterize them as fitness freaks who've barely dabbled in CMA, and yet been taking advantage of the uninitiated by teaching and charging money for lessons.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2017 8:40 pm**

Appledog wrote:
Fatal Rose wrote:Jake Mace
https://youtu.be/F5xyEbdDLKA

What's wrong with Jake Mace? At least he's making contact. I'm curious as to what your standard of judgement is.

Fatal Rose wrote:Freddie Lee
https://youtu.be/gx1fBMCBQyg

Same comment.

Here's a thought I had.

These guys have their own dojos and a lot of students. Their basics are strong and clear. They practice a variety of martial arts and applications that I personally don't like (as a specialist). I imagine you are in a similar position. But as for me my only complaint against them is just that I don't want to learn what they know because I am a purist, not that they are frauds. Actually in some cases their foundation training is better than mine.

Knowing what I know now, from a martial arts standpoint I can say both of these people are in a better position to learn Tai Chi than I am now, except that they aren't training it.

Good point, guess I jumped the gun a bit. Sorry.

Just that both guys have proven questionable lineages. Also the disrespect Freddie shows to grappling/MMA.

Just find it strange Freddie claims to be a JKD master yet he has admitted to only training in CaiLiFo/wingchun for about two years. He claims to be the P4P best in the world and writes book on the philosophy of martial arts.
Jake has online vids on nearly every gongfu style. When his original teacher was Sin Kwang The. A proven fraud in court with no real ties to the Shaolin Temple.

Posted: **Thu May 25, 2017 9:23 pm**

I don't give fuck about lineage. Jake Mace is a fraud because he obviously lacks a Taijiquan foundation (look at his structure.. or better DON'T) and because the one sparring video I found was laughably pathetic, more like a silly dance. I saw a video of the latter guy sparring. Not the worst I've seen by any stretch, but he seems like an arsehole.

Posted: **Fri May 26, 2017 12:55 am**

Don't know about Freddie Lee, but I am totally comfortable calling Jake Mace a fraud. In the case of Xingyiquan, he is teaching a style in which he has no lineage, and his movements look like he learned it off a [bad] video. No way for students studying it with him to ever actually see what 'real' XYQ is about.

Posted: **Fri May 26, 2017 1:34 am**

Everybody is a fraud except me...... Grandmaster Jedi Soke Shifu Guru Will

Posted: **Fri May 26, 2017 4:40 am**

Fatal Rose wrote:Just find it strange Freddie claims to be a JKD master yet he has admitted to only training in CaiLiFo/wingchun for about two years. He claims to be the P4P best in the world and writes book on the philosophy of martial arts.
Jake has online vids on nearly every gongfu style. When his original teacher was Sin Kwang The. A proven fraud in court with no real ties to the Shaolin Temple.

I'm not sure the Shaolin Temple has any real ties to the Shaolin Temple!

Posted: **Fri May 26, 2017 5:29 am**

Posted: **Fri May 26, 2017 6:44 am**

David Carradine

No wonder the Imperial Guards of the Black Dragon Throne wanted him dead.

Posted: **Sat May 27, 2017 7:48 pm**

Not to worry. No one thinks the Internet is real.

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