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old time boxing pao quan

Postby everything on Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:26 pm

amateur practices til gets right pro til can't get wrong
/ better approx answer to right q than exact answer to wrong q which can be made precise /
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Re: old time boxing pao quan

Postby Rhen on Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:14 pm

Evidence that techniques are universal to the human body and not from this or that system.
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Re: old time boxing pao quan

Postby everything on Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:33 pm

we humans are tribal and always think our tribe is the best and unique, and no one else could possibly have anything similar or as good. if they come close, they got it all wrong.
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Re: old time boxing pao quan

Postby Strange on Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:05 pm

in this case, the more suitable western "thinking" is old one not good, new one with flashy name is better
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Re: old time boxing pao quan

Postby Trick on Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:01 am

everything wrote:from this excellent article:
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/6/74 ... xing-gif-1

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What about those thin leather gloves, where they used in sparring/fighting ? Remember some years ago I saw some quite old pic's of Savate guys posing, looked very Wushu like.
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Re: old time boxing pao quan

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:36 am

I wonder how often a posed shot like that is what they used to fight
Or is it just a selfie
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Re: old time boxing pao quan

Postby Strange on Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:14 pm

yeah, jack dempsey's falling/drop step was used in real fights in the ring
if that was not widely practiced now
one would be naive to think that a posed shot would do anything

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showing houdini how to punch
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Re: old time boxing pao quan

Postby everything on Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:20 pm

Here's the text that goes with the "pao quan" picture (whole article might be more interesting):

In the early days of boxing, professors of the art frowned on just about all circular punches, which they saw as crude and artless. "The natural tendency is to hit round," wrote Lord Rowland Allanson-Winn in 1889. "Put any two men together, who have never heard of correct principles, and tell them to . . . "go for" one another. The chances are that very few of their blows will reach home and that they will damage the surroundings more than each other. . . . A straight line is the shortest distance between any two points and if you never lose sight of the fact . . . you will in time overcome the unfortunate, but very natural habit of hitting round."

Of course, round blows have their place just as much as straight ones, but the prevailing thought at the time was to attack the center-line of the opponent's body, driving straight forward and throwing the body weight into a blow aimed for the nose, eyes, or solar plexus. This was typically done by guarding an opponent's lead with one hand, and then stepping in with a straight counter as in the example below, from Richard K. Fox's Boxing and How to Train, which will likely remind you more of Karate than pugilism as we know it today.
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