New style of Tai Chi

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New style of Tai Chi

Postby Appledog on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:20 am

I've been considering creating a new style of Tai Chi, and have been thinking of a name to call it. It wouldn't really be an entirely new style of tai chi -- I must admit that one of the reasons I am considering doing this is that I don't have a complete lineage in the sense that I do not have a responsibility to carry on a tradition. In this light I am actually empowered in the sense that I can take the best of what I know across Yang, Chen, Sun and Wu style and come up with something special. TO be completely honest, a product that would blow 90% of the Tai Chi schools I've seen (at least in Canada) completely out of the water in terms of -- well, you name it. I'm also very familiar with the kind of branding which usually goes on in a Tai Chi school and am prepared to use multiple kinds of branding to attract students who want different things.

It's either that or try to get accepted as someone's disciple, but I am not sure that is necessary. Or desirable, as mentioned above, as it would be restrictive in the same ways it is freeing.

One of the selling points is that I would guarantee that people would be able to feel and use their chi within the first six months of training at my school -- or they would get their money back. I would also promise that they would achieve some competence at fighting -- again, with a money back guarantee. I think that would be a great eyecatcher in the TCC community, a school that could offer that might become popular.

I'm just curious what kinds of things people here would look for in a Tai Chi or other kungfu school. What you think would make a good school, one that you would at least be interested in visiting to check it out.

One other thing I am looking for is suggestions for the name of the style. I am considering 'shanhe wushihui' or alike. Any thoughts?
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby GrahamB on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:41 am

Do you have a video of your Taichi?
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Niall Keane on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:49 am

One of the selling points is that I would guarantee that people would be able to feel and use their chi within the first six months of training at my school -- or they would get their money back. I would also promise that they would achieve some competence at fighting -- again, with a money back guarantee. I think that would be a great eyecatcher in the TCC community, a school that could offer that might become popular.


Wow... the level of arrogance and pure delusion is astounding!

I've read quite a few of your posts now... you admit not being inside-the-door, you admit not having more than forms and tuishou drills, you have failed to produce any evidence of martial ability, as in "fighting"... yet you're talking about setting up a school, not to offer the old and infirm a exercise regime with a bit of esoteric nonsense like many do, no... you're going to guarantee that after 6 months people wil be competent fighters???
Now, I've been coaching fighters for 15 plus years... I've trained many international champs and I'm the national sanda coach... one might say I've some experience in the area?
I have actually trained a handful of lads to be successful in international sanda "open, smaller comps" in 6 months... those lads were already well accustomed to violence form their backgrounds and put in herculean efforts, training 4-6 hours a day, 6 days a week... those kind of people come by once every 5-10 years!!!

But you're going to guarantee Average Joe that he'll be not only fluent in timing, angle and range, but will have a tai chi flavour to his skills, with what? 2-3 1.5hr classes a week?

I don't know pal?

Either you're a troll, rightly taking the royal piss out of some of the martial ignorance among a great number of nei jia hobbiests?

Or if genuine? Given you are so self-assured about it all - you're ability to deliver a superior "product" without the background? As in, you don't seem to feel or understand the expertise of coaching for combat (it is expertise!) is a serious undertaking demanding years of experience to even become aware of all of the different aspects? No, you seem to believe that your genius allows you to skip ahead of all us dumb coaches who have been at it for years? Clearly you feel no responsibility for your would -be students should your untested method fail? I actually, truly now wonder does your unbelievable level of arrogance stem from psychopathy?

Are you off your meds???

You are not alone of course.. saddly... we (who have the experience) have all witnessed the idiot "coach" with zero personal experience, who has set up a school, conned his students in to believing that are training for combat, and when they enter (the coach never does) a full contact competition they get absolutely and dangerously destroyed!!! usually hospitalized. Fighting is serious business!!!! how would yo feel is a student was paralyzed of killed? Would it even matter to you? Or would you blame the student for not using their chi properly?
My Sifu witnessed two athletes killed in HK back in the day, one form a kick to the neck. I've witnessed some devastating injuries being delivered, I myself have broken opponent's arms twice, femur once, ribs several times, cheekbone, nose several times, jaw... etc... I always checked up on them after, your opponent's are wonderful teachers, we owe them respect, but the CUNT of a coach who feeds trusting athletes to the lions to indulge their own Walter Mitty fantasy about being a gungfu badass needs to be imprisoned in my view!

And if the answer is, its not about combat sports and beating combat sport athletes, well then, surely its better for a student to discover if they can actually cope with that level of violence, with a ref and their corner ready to throw in the towel compared to a "street" encounter where the safety is off???
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby windwalker on Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:49 am

Along with what Niall, said in terms of "proof" his domain the ring.
Something to note in reading his post over the yrs he also has a wide curriculum based on a traditional approach
offering things for those not interested in the ring events not often mentioned...


You've used the old

TO be completely honest, a product that would blow 90% of the Tai Chi schools I've seen (at least in Canada) completely out of the water in terms of -- well, you name it.
Which is probably what those 90% say and feel about what they do . Odd isn't it. ;)

90% of what?

By your own admission they don't even fulfil your requirements and yet you use them as a yard stick.
IMO the better approach would be to define your niche and allow people to make their own choice based on this.

Or as Peter Ralston did "Intent on revealing the depth and power of this work, in 1978 he became the first non-Asian ever to win the World Championship full-contact martial arts tournament held in the Republic of China."
http://chenghsin.com/founder-whoispeterralston.html
cool name and branding btw

What would you say your accomplishments have been, what would attract you to
your own gym would be one of the questions one might ask themselves
for those intending to open their own gym or create their own style.

As to name and branding, what would you say are the defining characteristics of what you do?
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Bao on Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:55 am

Sorry to interrupt...

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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Bill on Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:57 am

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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Trick on Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:36 am

Appledog wrote:I've been considering creating a new style of Tai Chi, and have been thinking of a name to call it. It wouldn't really be an entirely new style of tai chi -- I am actually empowered in the sense that I can take the best of what I know across Yang, Chen, Sun and Wu style and come up with something special. Any thoughts?

You already named it!....'The Best of The Best of The Best of The Best Really Special TAI CHi'
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Appledog on Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:40 am

Niall Keane wrote:
One of the selling points is that I would guarantee that people would be able to feel and use their chi within the first six months of training at my school -- or they would get their money back. I would also promise that they would achieve some competence at fighting -- again, with a money back guarantee. I think that would be a great eyecatcher in the TCC community, a school that could offer that might become popular.


Wow... the level of arrogance and pure delusion is astounding!

I've read quite a few of your posts now... you admit not being inside-the-door


No, I just said I am not anyone's disciple. Why should that be of any concern? Your teacher isn't part of any lineage either, so what's the big deal?

Niall Keane wrote:But you're going to guarantee Average Joe that he'll be not only fluent in timing, angle and range, but will have a tai chi flavour to his skills, with what? 2-3 1.5hr classes a week?

I don't know pal?


I don't know either -- I don't know where your getting your numbers from.

Niall Keane wrote:Either you're a troll, rightly taking the royal piss out of some of the martial ignorance among a great number of nei jia hobbiests?


I don't understand where your attitude is coming from.

Are you off your meds???
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Appledog on Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:45 am

windwalker wrote:Along with what Niall, said in terms of "proof" his domain the ring.


And he is welcome to it!

As you are welcome to doing what you do. But let's be honest, it is not just that what I do is different than what you or Niall do, or the attitude we bring to the forum. It is that I am seeking a credibility far beyond what Niall's (or your) acceptance could provide. We all travel in different circles, I guess.
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Niall Keane on Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:27 am

Appledog wrote:
No, I just said I am not anyone's disciple. Why should that be of any concern? Your teacher isn't part of any lineage either, so what's the big deal?





You dunce !!!


I baishi under Dan Docherty who baishi under Cheng tin-hung...the lad Eddie Wu stated was onetime gate-keeper of Wu Style... Cheng Tin-hung never made that claim.
His tai chi derives from two soures ...
his uncle third desiple of Wu Jian Chuan and his main teacher re . Martially effective tai chi - Qi Min Quan who's father Qi Ke San is mentioned as a disciple of Wu Quan Yu in a book published in 1952 ... Qi Min Quans main teacher was a a monk ching I who learned from Wang Lan-ting..

Basically no matter what way you skin that cat, my lineage is genuine and derived from a line of some of the accepted best fighters of TCC of their time... being a top desciple guarantees they received a full transmission of the art.

That's called a Zhen Chuan, and you actually dare compare it to your self- admitted incomplete, madey-uppy- tai chi boxercise?

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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Appledog on Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:39 am

Niall Keane wrote:
Appledog wrote:
No, I just said I am not anyone's disciple. Why should that be of any concern? Your teacher isn't part of any lineage either, so what's the big deal?



You dunce !!!
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Put the cone on your head and face the corner!


No I don't think you understand. CMA, even limiting it to IMA, and even just to Tai Chi, is such a large and wonderful and beautiful world, that you really hurt yourself a lot when you talk to people the way you do above.

Now to the topics you have raised. CTH never called what he did a particular style of Tai Chi. I am just quoting your school's website. But as I've stated I am interested in lineage and historical skill, so what you do has nothing to do with what I am interested in learning. Even if you had something to teach me about fighting, why would I want to learn from you?

You need to understand this -- I like you, I respect your skills as a fighter, but I am about as interested in learning what you do as I am in learning Karate or Wing Chun. Because, I want to learn Tai Chi. Tell me the truth Niall. Can you teach me traditional Wu style Tai Chi or not?

I suspect many people have the same mind; therefore I am interested in helping them. That is all this is about Niall. Helping people. If you are not here to help people, why are you here?
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Steve James on Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:44 am

Appledog, you're getting peer-review. There are people here who've practiced for decades; some who've created their own thing; but none who'd say they'd created a new tcc. Some would even say that they're still learning.
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Appledog on Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:54 am

Steve James wrote:Appledog, you're getting peer-review. There are people here who've practiced for decades; some who've created their own thing; but none who'd say they'd created a new tcc. Some would even say that they're still learning.


I don't really consider this peer review. I asked for some advice on naming and possibly branding and I got puerile posturing instead.

You would think that someone in Niall's position would be the perfect person to ask for advice on starting your own style of Tai Chi and running an organization. But he doesn't seem to want to help -- poor me! How about you Steve? You have decades of experience too. Instead of just telling me that other people are giving me peer review, I would be more interested in your thoughts on branding a new style and possible curriculum.

Weapons are an interesting topic. There are some weapons like spear which seems to be required due to the weight and load balance of the weapon affecting the barehand forms so much. And yet they don't really have a place in modern self-defense. Have you given any thought to this topic? That is where your experience would pay off and provide an interesting discussion most, I would think. Just an idea to spark conversation :)
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Steve James on Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:59 am

I asked for some advice


Hey, if you posted on a doctor's board that you had a new form of medicine, you'd be reviewed by doctors. Some might scoff; some might smile; some might not be so kind; some wouldn't bother responding. The reaction is up to you, and you can also wait for more positive responses.
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Re: New style of Tai Chi

Postby Appledog on Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:17 am

Steve James wrote:
I asked for some advice


Hey, if you posted on a doctor's board that you had a new form of medicine, you'd be reviewed by doctors. Some might scoff; some might smile; some might not be so kind; some wouldn't bother responding. The reaction is up to you, and you can also wait for more positive responses.


Sure no problem! I get that totally. Just understand it's a double edged sword; i've been doing Tai Chi for as long as anyone else here, so I am not impressed by the posturing that goes on here. There is no time. That being said, there is the occasional diamond in the rough which keeps me coming back.
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