Re: Chen Fake`s father Chen Yanxi
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:40 pm
the thing about Chen style...
In THEIR book "Chen Style Taijiquan" by Feng Zhiqiang and Feng Dabiao and Zhang Chundong and with Chen Xiaowang featuring prominently, on page 12 of the original edition (1984) you get a diagram styled - "The Evolution of Shadow Boxing"....
It has Yang Luchan learning form Chen Changxing (we all accept that?) and Wu YUxiang learning from Chen Qingping who they show learnt from Chen Youbeng.
Chen Fake learned from Chen Yanxi from Chen Gengyun from Chen Chenagxing (same as Yang)..
SO....
Why are the Wu Yuxiang and Yang forms almost identical and very different from Chen style if Chen and Yang came from similar source?
Then you have the enigma of Song Shuming and classics identical to the salt-cellar classics turning up with a lad unknown by the Beijing brigade... and lets not forget that Li Y Yu wrote the plain sayings in the late 1800's:
Raise and prop (the head), lift the pubic, conceive in the mind,
Loosen the shoulders, sink elbows, qi at the tan tien;
Wrap the pubic,protect the abdomen must downward posture,
Hollow chest, raise back, return to natural.
First posture left right Lazily Arranging Clothes,
Two hands pushing out pulling single whip.
Lift Hands Up Posture looking towards space,
White Crane Reveals Wing fly up to the sky.
Brush Knee Bend Step hit to the front,
Hand Playing The Lute hides and draws close to the side.
Brush Knee Bend Step repeat the Downward Posture,
Hand Playing The Lute again once more.
Step forward first hit with Palm To The Face,
Deflect, Parry, Punch hits the front of the chest.
Apparent Closure pushes to the front,
Draw Body Embrace Tiger go push the mountain.
Return body pull to form Single Whip,
Fist Under Elbow hits the centre of the waist.
Repulse Monkey repeats the posture 4 times,
White Crane Reveals Wings until the cloud top.
Brush Knee Bend Step must Downward Posture,
Withdraw Body Lute at front of chest.
Press Posture overturn body Three Through Back,
Twist neck turn the head back pull Single Whip.
View Hands three times then High Pat Horse,
Left Right Lift Legs who dares stand in the way.
Turn Body One Leg (kick) Then Plant Fist,
Overturn Body Double Lift kick to break the sky.
Hold hody retreat step Subdue Tiger Posture,
Kick With Leg Turn Body is tightly continuous.
Kick With Sole step forward deflect, parry, hit,
Apparent Closure hands face the front.
Embrace Tiger Push Mountain repeat Downward Posture,
Turn head back and again pull Single Whip.
Part Wild Horse's Mane advances towards the front,
Lazily Arranging Clothes is indeed fresh.
Turn Body again pull Single Whip,
Fair Lady Threads Shuttles complete the four corners.
Change pull Single Whip is really ingenious,
View Hands Downward Posture probes the pure spring.
Change Chicken Stands On One Leg is divided into left and right,
Repulse Monkey is again repeated.
White Crane Reveals Wing extends the body,
Brush Knee forward hand is down at the side.
Press Posture Green Dragon again emerges from the water,
Turn body again and again pull Single Whip.
View Hands High Pat palm against heart,
Cross Figure Sweep Lotus overturns to the back.
Point Fist To Pubic hits downwards,
Lazily Arranging Clothes in tight continuity.
Again pull Single Whip again Downward Posture,
Step up begin dischage Seven Star Fist.
Withdraw body step backwards pull Riding Tiger,
Turn leg out hit Double Sweep Lotus.
Scoop Up The Moon At The Sea Bottom must have Downward Posture,
Bend Bow Shoot Tiger neck faces forward.
Embrace Twin Fists who dares advance,
Walk the whole earth no one dares stand in the way.
This song this song 60 verses,
If don't meet an intimate friend don't transmit lightly.
This corresponds directly with Yang and Wu style but there's no "buddha's warrior attendant pounds mortar" etc... its pretty clear that Chen Fake really did reinvent his own art, and then tried to pass it off as original, which speaks of his deceitful character and so probably of his treatment of Chiang Fa and his deletion or distortion from modern Chen Tai Chi Chuan history.
So you either got a Shaolin master who travelled to hua shan, learnt daoist methods, went to the martial mecca of Wudang, spent 10 years "cultivating" (I'd imagine with other masters drawn to that Mecca) his art and retiring to Baoji to teach monks, a stones throw from Xian where Wang Zue and Wang Zue yue are supposed to reside... or, alternatively, village idiots in a rural backwater supposed to come up with a seriously sophisticated martial art on their own-some?
Occam's razor anyone?
In THEIR book "Chen Style Taijiquan" by Feng Zhiqiang and Feng Dabiao and Zhang Chundong and with Chen Xiaowang featuring prominently, on page 12 of the original edition (1984) you get a diagram styled - "The Evolution of Shadow Boxing"....
It has Yang Luchan learning form Chen Changxing (we all accept that?) and Wu YUxiang learning from Chen Qingping who they show learnt from Chen Youbeng.
Chen Fake learned from Chen Yanxi from Chen Gengyun from Chen Chenagxing (same as Yang)..
SO....
Why are the Wu Yuxiang and Yang forms almost identical and very different from Chen style if Chen and Yang came from similar source?
Then you have the enigma of Song Shuming and classics identical to the salt-cellar classics turning up with a lad unknown by the Beijing brigade... and lets not forget that Li Y Yu wrote the plain sayings in the late 1800's:
Raise and prop (the head), lift the pubic, conceive in the mind,
Loosen the shoulders, sink elbows, qi at the tan tien;
Wrap the pubic,protect the abdomen must downward posture,
Hollow chest, raise back, return to natural.
First posture left right Lazily Arranging Clothes,
Two hands pushing out pulling single whip.
Lift Hands Up Posture looking towards space,
White Crane Reveals Wing fly up to the sky.
Brush Knee Bend Step hit to the front,
Hand Playing The Lute hides and draws close to the side.
Brush Knee Bend Step repeat the Downward Posture,
Hand Playing The Lute again once more.
Step forward first hit with Palm To The Face,
Deflect, Parry, Punch hits the front of the chest.
Apparent Closure pushes to the front,
Draw Body Embrace Tiger go push the mountain.
Return body pull to form Single Whip,
Fist Under Elbow hits the centre of the waist.
Repulse Monkey repeats the posture 4 times,
White Crane Reveals Wings until the cloud top.
Brush Knee Bend Step must Downward Posture,
Withdraw Body Lute at front of chest.
Press Posture overturn body Three Through Back,
Twist neck turn the head back pull Single Whip.
View Hands three times then High Pat Horse,
Left Right Lift Legs who dares stand in the way.
Turn Body One Leg (kick) Then Plant Fist,
Overturn Body Double Lift kick to break the sky.
Hold hody retreat step Subdue Tiger Posture,
Kick With Leg Turn Body is tightly continuous.
Kick With Sole step forward deflect, parry, hit,
Apparent Closure hands face the front.
Embrace Tiger Push Mountain repeat Downward Posture,
Turn head back and again pull Single Whip.
Part Wild Horse's Mane advances towards the front,
Lazily Arranging Clothes is indeed fresh.
Turn Body again pull Single Whip,
Fair Lady Threads Shuttles complete the four corners.
Change pull Single Whip is really ingenious,
View Hands Downward Posture probes the pure spring.
Change Chicken Stands On One Leg is divided into left and right,
Repulse Monkey is again repeated.
White Crane Reveals Wing extends the body,
Brush Knee forward hand is down at the side.
Press Posture Green Dragon again emerges from the water,
Turn body again and again pull Single Whip.
View Hands High Pat palm against heart,
Cross Figure Sweep Lotus overturns to the back.
Point Fist To Pubic hits downwards,
Lazily Arranging Clothes in tight continuity.
Again pull Single Whip again Downward Posture,
Step up begin dischage Seven Star Fist.
Withdraw body step backwards pull Riding Tiger,
Turn leg out hit Double Sweep Lotus.
Scoop Up The Moon At The Sea Bottom must have Downward Posture,
Bend Bow Shoot Tiger neck faces forward.
Embrace Twin Fists who dares advance,
Walk the whole earth no one dares stand in the way.
This song this song 60 verses,
If don't meet an intimate friend don't transmit lightly.
This corresponds directly with Yang and Wu style but there's no "buddha's warrior attendant pounds mortar" etc... its pretty clear that Chen Fake really did reinvent his own art, and then tried to pass it off as original, which speaks of his deceitful character and so probably of his treatment of Chiang Fa and his deletion or distortion from modern Chen Tai Chi Chuan history.
So you either got a Shaolin master who travelled to hua shan, learnt daoist methods, went to the martial mecca of Wudang, spent 10 years "cultivating" (I'd imagine with other masters drawn to that Mecca) his art and retiring to Baoji to teach monks, a stones throw from Xian where Wang Zue and Wang Zue yue are supposed to reside... or, alternatively, village idiots in a rural backwater supposed to come up with a seriously sophisticated martial art on their own-some?
Occam's razor anyone?